Is anyone else concerned?

[Polypro]

On a whim, I decided to try BD playback through v7. I have AnyDVDHD running and stuck in "Ghost Writer". I set my Blu-ray drive as an import directory. The .mts streams show up in either Videos or I can Browse File System. I am connected analog to a receiver. I can use either the MS H.264 decoder or TMT 2's, both provide DXVA for me. I'm on Win7. When I play the 32GB .mts file with Sage set to HD Audio Enabled the picture freezes or the timeline jumps in 3 second intervals and the audio stutters. AC3 Filter reports "Out of Sync DTS Audio Stream". When I set HD Audio Disabled , the video plays back perfectly. Does BD playback require me to rip to the hard drive? I wouldn't think so, but maybe. How can I get this working? (I won't need TMT 3 if I can play from the BD drive.

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Edit: Progress...Selecting Audio Language>AC3 5.1 (DTS-MA was selected as default) gives me a foreign language. WMP plays the foreign language as well...so how do I get English? :-)

Edit II: The HD200 also picks the foreign language, so BD playback works fine on the client PC and extender here...but the wrong audio is chosen (WMP also chooses wrongly however).

[isgdre]

Originally Posted by sleonard

If that's all I ever had to worry about, I'd be ever grateful for I probably would have something more robust than the HD-PVR.

True. But the I build my own PVR years ago so I didn't have to watch duplicates. Change to a professional one because it had more features then what I did as a hobby, the changed to SageTV when the pro one I did have dropped the ability to not record already watched shows (That down right shocked me). Not having to see the same show twice is the only reason I went to SageTV. The last PVR was great otherwise, and So far, if they reinstated it I would go back but I feel I should at least wait for the final version to give Sage a fair shake.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by isgdre

True. But the I build my own PVR years ago so I didn't have to watch duplicates. Change to a professional one because it had more features then what I did as a hobby, the changed to SageTV when the pro one I did have dropped the ability to not record already watched shows (That down right shocked me). Not having to see the same show twice is the only reason I went to SageTV. The last PVR was great otherwise, and So far, if they reinstated it I would go back but I feel I should at least wait for the final version to give Sage a fair shake.

You DO know it's only like 2 button presses to delete a duplicate recordings, right?

[sic0048]

Regarding the two identical shows... was one HD and the other SD?

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by sic0048

Regarding the two identical shows... was one HD and the other SD?

That shouldn't make a difference. The ExternalID should be the same, as it's tied to the episode itself. The HD flag is tied to the individual Airing.

[isgdre]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

You DO know it's only like 2 button presses to delete a duplicate recordings, right?

OOOoooo.... OOOuchhh... The Pain.... The agony.... Having to press a button is just killing me..... But TWO!!! Yikes!....

Ok. True enough. You can logic this away... But tell me what harm is it if your walking down the street and someone purposely spites on your shirt for no reason. Logically you had to wash your shirt at some point anyway. so no harm, no foul. Little inconvenient.

But alas. these are not logic issues. They are Entertainment/Emotional Issues. Wasting a few minutes (till i recognize the episode) every once in a while where I could have been out with the kids or working in my shop really is not a big deal. Doing it 3 out of 4 times is.

And again.... Truth be told I updated to .18 and now .20, and turned off the IR feature. I already think I'm down to 1 in 10. and I think .20 fixed the black screen issue but it's a bit early to tell for sure.

[Striker:WG]

Originally Posted by Skirge01

I know this wouldn't be the preferred solution, but have you considered moving to Windows 7? (Then again, you did ask for suggestions on what you could "install" or "update". ) My original suggestion would have been to try a fresh Windows install, but, given the status of XP, I wouldn't waste my time with the hassle of setting up a new OS unless it was Windows 7.

I am tied to XP because of my tuners. There is no driver support for ATI Theater 550 tuners on Windows 7. There are Vista drivers, but I'm not sure that I could get them working under 7.

That being said, I did install version 7 on my Windows 7 box just to play around with this stuff to see if it was machine specific a few versions ago. The 21 day trial has LONG since expired on my Windows 7 box, but at the time I was having identical issues on the Windows 7 box.

-Striker-

[Striker:WG]

Figured i'd revive this thread with an update for those who are interested.

I heard back from the Sage support guys. Apparently my rip was bad and it was missing the "PMT" data that Sage requires to be embedded in the stream to support playback.

I promptly deleted the rip, found the original Quantum of Solace disc and tried playing back from the disc. Video plays back fine, but the audio stutters horribly.

I've tried AC3Filter and FFDShow, using both the HD Audio On and Off settings with no change in the output results.

Just curious if anyone could post their working combination of hardware/software for BDMV output with the audio output over HDMI for external decoding.

-Striker-

[mkanet]

I can play m2ts files with DTS-MA/TrueHD via other directshow players (ie, graphedit, Windows media player, etc). However, even when I disable the sageTV demux, I still cant playback respective ripped discs which contain the same files (which contain dts-ma/trueHD), I either get heavily stuttered audio or no audio. The same symptoms happen when I enable the sageTV demux; which shouldn't be trying to use any outside splitters; just coreavc 2.0 (for H.264) and ac-3 filter or sageTV audio filter.

I already sent my debug logs to sageTV support for analysis using sageTV's builtin media player and respective splitter for this type of media. Im pretty sure this is currently sageTV's primary focus; since everything else seems to works so nicely. We will have to just see. Hopefully our submitted debug logs will help them figure out what's wrong.

Originally Posted by stanger89

Have you reported these to Sage? Remember they don't follow the forums closely, and the forums aren't an official support channel. If you've got problems with the beta you need to report them, and not assume someone else has.



It's possible. PowerDVD doesn't use directshow for BD playback, while SageTV does. The real question IMO is do they play in another directshow player like WMP, or Zoomplayer?

[Polypro]

Originally Posted by Striker:WG

Just curious if anyone could post their working combination of hardware/software for BDMV output with the audio output over HDMI for external decoding.

-Striker-

I can. Now that I got a GT430 and ffdshow (Missing Remote's Guide), I bitstream to an Onkyo 606 via HDMI. HD Audio Enabled. H.264 with the ArcSoft decoder is great. I had VC1 working with ArcSoft in a previous beta as well, but with .21 it crashes. Switching to the MS WMV DMO decoder, plays VC1 fine though (no DXVA but my E6600 is only at about 60%).

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All the DTSMA stuff is lit up on the 606.

Edit: I could never get the English "Core" to play with HD Audo Disabled. I asked about analog HD Audio on AVS and renthex (sp?) posted how to do it with analog (I had a Xonar before the 430). The $80 card was worth saving my hair.

[Striker:WG]

Originally Posted by Polypro

I can. Now that I got a GT430 and ffdshow (Missing Remote's Guide), I bitstream to an Onkyo 606 via HDMI. HD Audio Enabled. H.264 with the ArcSoft decoder is great. I had VC1 working with ArcSoft in a previous beta as well, but with .21 it crashes. Switching to the MS WMV DMO decoder, plays VC1 fine though (no DXVA but my E6600 is only at about 60%).

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All the DTSMA stuff is lit up on the 606.

Edit: I could never get the English "Core" to play with HD Audo Disabled. I asked about analog HD Audio on AVS and renthex (sp?) posted how to do it with analog (I had a Xonar before the 430). The $80 card was worth saving my hair.

Thanks for the info!

I tried installing the FFDShow from the missing remote guide (it was actually an older version that I had previously tried). It works *slightly* better as it can at least detect the DTS-MA audio track and start decoding it initially. I still get the stuttering after a minute of playback.

Just curious, what are you using for a sound card? I'm using the Realtek soundcard that's built onto my motherboard. I'm not sure how much that factors into the SPDIF passthrough over the HDMI out on my video card, but I do get the same stuttering if I use the SPDIF passthrough over the digital coax output from my motherboard soundcard as well.

I'm really pulling at straws here. I can't figure out why I can't get this to work. I've run out of hair to pull out...

-Striker-

[Polypro]

I bit stream the full next gen codecs via HDMI to the receiver. I gave up on analog (Xonar...never did S/PDIF) and spent $80 on a GT430...it's too easy and saves your sanity. I understand people wanting to keep old cars running...but sometimes going to the dealership is the better option

For what your trying to do:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283373

If you have $80, I'd just get the 430.


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[Striker:WG]

Originally Posted by Polypro

I bit stream the full next gen codecs via HDMI to the receiver. I gave up on analog (Xonar...never did S/PDIF) and spent $80 on a GT430...it's too easy and saves your sanity. I understand people wanting to keep old cars running...but sometimes going to the dealership is the better option

For what your trying to do:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283373

If you have $80, I'd just get the 430.


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I guess I don't quite understand. I am tying to bitstream the audio over HDMI so my Yamaha amplifier can do all the decoding. How would getting the 430 benefit me over my current ATI 5700 series card?

I read over the link you posted, but that sounds like its for decoding the audio within the PC.

-Striker-

[Striker:WG]

Here's an interesting development.

If I set FFDShow to decode the DolbyTrueHD/DTS-MA/AC3/DTS encoded streams and then re-encode it to its own AC3 stream and send it out over the HDMI line, playback is flawless.

What's weird about this is that I can do the audio passthrough from any other application and it outputs perfectly fine. Its also weird that its only on BDMV playback from Sage that I have issue with audio passthrough. Anything recorded from my HDPVR is fine as well as any downloaded AVI/MKV files.

The purist in me says this is a hack solution and I shouldn't accept it.

The broken beaten husk of what once was a man says to give in and give up and accept it as it is because hey, it actually plays!

Anyone have any thoughts on why this might be? I'd like to think its something with Sage but then wouldn't alot more people be having this issue?

-Striker-

[Fuzzy]

It sounds like the problem lies in actually outputting HDMI audio (as opposed to standard SPDIF audio that is routed to the HDMI port). That is why AC3 will play (including AC3 either encoded on the fly by ffdshow, or recorded by the HD-PVR). However, once you try sending the direct bitstream out, it doesn't work. I think ReClock may help, if it is set to accept bitstream formats, and output via WASAPI Exclusive mode.

[Polypro]

I didn't know you had the capability to bit stream. I don't know why you are having a problem. ffdshow shouldn't be set to *decode* anything...it should be set to pass through. I just followed the guide on Missing Remote and it worked. I thought you were trying to do analog (as was I before the 430), so I put up that link.

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[Striker:WG]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

It sounds like the problem lies in actually outputting HDMI audio (as opposed to standard SPDIF audio that is routed to the HDMI port). That is why AC3 will play (including AC3 either encoded on the fly by ffdshow, or recorded by the HD-PVR). However, once you try sending the direct bitstream out, it doesn't work. I think ReClock may help, if it is set to accept bitstream formats, and output via WASAPI Exclusive mode.

Thanks for the suggestion Fuzzy, I'll look into this!

My one question would be, why does Sage need ReClock to correct the datastream being sent out while other programs (MPC, PowerDVD) work without an issue on the same hardware setup?

-Striker-

[Polypro]

It doesn't. I just installed the 430, installed ffdshow, set ffdshow to pass through all formats...and it worked. WASAPI is for trying to do stuff in the analog realm...bit stream should just work (assuming there isn't some AMD/ATI quirk).

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[Striker:WG]

Alright, well I installed Reclock 1.6 (the latest posted stable build) and it doesn't seem to have helped the situation at all. I've tried messing around with all the settings in Reclock and it can influence the issue but it can never solve it. Especially if I try to do something crazy like skip ahead a minute or two in a movie, the system really doesn't like that.

I gotta say, this is making me into one sad panda.

-Striker-

[Polypro]

Why did you install Reclock if you are trying to bitstream to a receiver?

You followed these instructions, starting with the ffdshow section?:

http://www.missingremote.com/index.p...1&limitstart=3

(I would also just unregister ac3filter.ax if you are bitstreaming, and let ffdshow handle all audio).

Does bit streaming work for you in other applications? (PDVD, TMT, etc...)

I don't know why you are having so much trouble if your hardware is bit stream capable. Maybe AVS Forum would have more answers.

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