sleep mode behavior

[Hector]

With screen saver on sleep turned off, if I put Sage to sleep it iconifies to the tray, but the program remains COMPLETELY functional.

With the icon in the tray, I still have tv out (350) with OSD, the remote works, I can still navigate menus via the remote, select and watch tv et al.

Is this correct behavior?

[Opus4]

Wow... is your computer on some sort of drugs? First, your milliseconds in SageTV are twice the time as the rest of us & now SageTV suffers from insomnia. Sooner or later someone will probably suggest starting over by at least removing your properties file to reset everything. Might be worth a try, but save the old one in case you want to restore it or need to refer to it.

- Andy

[tabletsage]

You're lucky!
That's not what mine does.
I wish it did!

I'd leave it like that forever and never worry about focus problems.

I'm being a bit tongue in cheek. But that really would
be nice for the way my system is set up.

To be clear, when I put it in sleep it iconifies to the tray and
I have no more control. I have to restore it to use it again.
I believe this is the normal mode of operation.

[Hector]

Originally posted by Opus4
Wow... is your computer on some sort of drugs? First, your milliseconds in SageTV are twice the time as the rest of us & now SageTV suffers from insomnia. Sooner or later someone will probably suggest starting over by at least removing your properties file to reset everything. Might be worth a try, but save the old one in case you want to restore it or need to refer to it.

- Andy

Don't think I didn't think of that because the first thing I did was . . . oh the COMPUTER on drugs. That's very different. Never mind.

I'll give this a try once my evening's recordings are done. Maybe
I munged something up there without realizing it.

peace . . .

[Hector]

Originally posted by tabletsage
You're lucky!
That's not what mine does.
I wish it did!

I'd leave it like that forever and never worry about focus problems.

I'm being a bit tongue in cheek. But that really would
be nice for the way my system is set up.

To be clear, when I put it in sleep it iconifies to the tray and
I have no more control. I have to restore it to use it again.
I believe this is the normal mode of operation.

It is an interesting behavior. When I use the screensaver I just assumed it was going to sleep but now I'm not so sure.

peace . . .

[Karen0302]

tabletsage,

If you use the Girder program you can do exactly what you want. That's what I do and I leave Sage minimized to the system tray all the time.

Karen

[Hector]

Originally posted by Karen0302
tabletsage,

If you use the Girder program you can do exactly what you want. That's what I do and I leave Sage minimized to the system tray all the time.

Karen

You can control sage with your remote while its sleeping in the system tray? If so you are experiencing the same behavior I am which isn't supposed to be happening.

[Hector]

Originally posted by Opus4
Wow... is your computer on some sort of drugs? First, your milliseconds in SageTV are twice the time as the rest of us & now SageTV suffers from insomnia. Sooner or later someone will probably suggest starting over by at least removing your properties file to reset everything. Might be worth a try, but save the old one in case you want to restore it or need to refer to it.

- Andy

Quit sage, delteted properties, rebooted and let sage start up and rebuild the properties file. I know it did because I had to reconfigure locations, even my channel guide.

And I have the exact same issues.

Sage does not go to sleep and my ff2 and rew2 milliseconds are still off by half.

[Karen0302]

Hector,

Why isn't this behaviour supposed to be happening? There is nothing special about a program in the system tray other than the fact that its window is hidden and it doesn't have a taskbar item. I fail to see what the problem is.

Karen

[Opus4]

Hector: try contacting Frey via the beta's bug report about the ff2/rew2 time being off like that. I don't remember whether you answered the question about whether other time settings are off in the same manner. (regular ff/rew, for example) You could also send them email to ask if the 350 should be working this way. I've never heard of either of these issues before... but that doesn't mean they've never been encountered before.

Karen: There's nothing saying that a program _can't _ work that way, other than it seems that, in the past, Frey had SageTV completely shut down when it is put to sleep, except for its recording capability. Is this a new side effect of having the UI on the 350? Can other people with the 350 do the same thing? It certainly doesn't work that way on my xcard or video card, as a comparison for why it was unexpected to me. In fact, I would expect and prefer that SageTV release its hold on my playback devices when put to sleep so that I can have other programs make use of them.

- Andy

[Karen0302]

Opus4,

Are you saying that in the past, the program would not respond in Sleep mode even if Girder was running?

Karen

[Opus4]

Originally posted by Karen0302
Are you saying that in the past, the program would not respond in Sleep mode even if Girder was running?

No -- what I said was that I had never heard of this happening before, though that doesn't mean it never did this before. In other words: it is news to me.

I don't use Girder or a 350. Previous to verison 2, the UI was not visible on the 350's output, so I'm wondering if that change is what is making it work the way it was described by you & Hector. I'm waiting for other Girder/350 users to see this thread and comment on whether they have noticed this before. Somehow, I doubt it would work w/o a 350 being involved, since when SageTV is sleeping, it has no Window where it can display the UI/video.

- Andy

[Karen0302]

Andy,

I've written a lot of Windows programs and the way Sage is working for me is exactly how I would expect it to work.

As for not having a window when it is sleeping, well, it all depends on how the programmer set things up. Normally, a windows program always has a window. When the program is minimize to the system tray, the window is still there and still accessible to the program. The user can't interact with the window but the program still has full access to it.

I think where the 350 comes in is that it gives the program access to a TV Out that does not depend on a video cards' TV Out. My experience with video card TV Outs has been that they send what is on the desktop to the TV out. The 350 doesn't seem to work that way. It appears to require a program to feed it data for its' TV Out. I think that might be the difference.

Karen

[Hector]

Karen we understand this. Andy is a programmer as well. There is probably 100 years experience right in this thread.

The point is that this is NOT how Sage is supposed to or at least previously has worked.

Previously when Sage was put to sleep all output to the 350 would cease, local video drivers released. Basically all it would do is record in the background unless you woke it up. You could access the 350's decoder with another app, while Sage would use the encoder to record your shows.

I've been using the screen saver to sleep for a few versions because I wanted some feedback from the 350's output so I would know Sage was running albeit asleep. So I'm not sure when this behavior changed for me.

peace. . .

Originally posted by Karen0302
Andy,

I've written a lot of Windows programs and the way Sage is working for me is exactly how I would expect it to work.

As for not having a window when it is sleeping, well, it all depends on how the programmer set things up. Normally, a windows program always has a window. When the program is minimize to the system tray, the window is still there and still accessible to the program. The user can't interact with the window but the program still has full access to it.

I think where the 350 comes in is that it gives the program access to a TV Out that does not depend on a video cards' TV Out. My experience with video card TV Outs has been that they send what is on the desktop to the TV out. The 350 doesn't seem to work that way. It appears to require a program to feed it data for its' TV Out. I think that might be the difference.

Karen

[Hector]

Originally posted by Opus4
Hector: try contacting Frey via the beta's bug report about the ff2/rew2 time being off like that. I don't remember whether you answered the question about whether other time settings are off in the same manner. (regular ff/rew, for example) You could also send them email to ask if the 350 should be working this way. I've never heard of either of these issues before... but that doesn't mean they've never been encountered before.

Only the ff2 and rew2 are off.

Karen: There's nothing saying that a program _can't _ work that way, other than it seems that, in the past, Frey had SageTV completely shut down when it is put to sleep, except for its recording capability. Is this a new side effect of having the UI on the 350? Can other people with the 350 do the same thing? It certainly doesn't work that way on my xcard or video card, as a comparison for why it was unexpected to me. In fact, I would expect and prefer that SageTV release its hold on my playback devices when put to sleep so that I can have other programs make use of them.

- Andy

I've used the 350 since 1.4 and this behavior started in the last few releases. I just cannot say for sure because I was using the screensaver on sleep so I would know when the OSD crashed.

Previously when you put Sage to sleep with 2.0 the OSD would remain on the screen with the last selected option (always Sleep) until you either woke it up or snatched the decoder with something like wintvout (pvr350 playback app).

I agree, this not releasing the resources is not desirable. At worst it should be optional.

peace . . .

[Karen0302]

Well, if they do change it back I really hope they put in an option to let it work the way it currently does!

Karen

[Hector]

Originally posted by Karen0302
Well, if they do change it back I really hope they put in an option to let it work the way it currently does!

Karen

I certainly agree with that. But I don't think its a change, I think it's a bug. Others are seeing recordings not even happening in sleep mode. Also I would expect such a drastic change of behavior to have been noted in the release notes.

Has it always worked this way for you best you recall? If so what was your first version of Sage?

[Karen0302]

Yes, it has always worked that way. But then I am relatively new to Sage. Release Candidate 2 was my first version.

Karen

[Hector]

Originally posted by Karen0302
Yes, it has always worked that way. But then I am relatively new to Sage. Release Candidate 2 was my first version.

Karen

Cool, thanks.

I think what shakes out of this is a new feature request - the ability to iconify Sage. Fully functional just iconified (as opposed to 'sleep').

That is assuming that I am correct that this is a bug (that for you turned out to be a feature). It does work in a way that could easily be expected.

[Hector]

It was discussed here and others experienced it. I submitted it as a bug yet the same behavior exsits in the release version 2.0.19.

When put to sleep Sage only iconifies to the system tray. TV out and the 350 OSD all work fine. From the TV side nothing has changed. On the computer side Sage is iconifed to the tray.

So I again I ask. Has the behavior for sleep changed or is this a known bug in the release version?

peace . . .