Is support for Blu-ray disc playback anywhere on the list?

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by Striker:WG

Yes, I have Virtual Clone Drive installed. The ISO mounting works with regular DVD ISO's, just not with BD ISO's.

Can you mount a BD ISO manually? If that works and Sage can't do it for you contact support with your client log.

Are you adding the location to the library as an UNC or a local drive\folder?

[loomdog32]

I dont understand how Sage can say there is BD support when EXTRA codecs are required?

Thats like saying my TV has BD support (just need to buy a BD Player)


Defiantly awesome that Sage is attempting to implement this. Is this functionally beta? YES! Should Sage be advertising this functionally? Only as beta!!

[gplasky]

By the same token when you buy a brand new Sony 3D they come WITHOUT any glasses. The 3D glasses are a seperate purchase. So the new TVs support 3D. It's just the glasses are extra to SEE 3D.

Gerry

[loomdog32]

Originally Posted by gplasky

By the same token when you buy a brand new Sony 3D they come WITHOUT any glasses. The 3D glasses are a seperate purchase. So the new TVs support 3D. It's just the glasses are extra to SEE 3D.

Gerry

Dont even get me started on 3D.. I probably could write a book on how I feel about it. Short ver - for movies, maybe good. for home use, just stupid. Then theres the glasses??

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by loomdog32

I dont understand how Sage can say there is BD support when EXTRA codecs are required?

How is that different from the situation with MKV or M2TS? The container is supported, but you need to sort out the stuff inside.

[loomdog32]

Originally Posted by babgvant

How is that different from the situation with MKV or M2TS? The container is supported, but you need to sort out the stuff inside.

I do understand that saying something like supporting a container is a slippery slope. But, I feel the same way about it. If you say you support it, SUPPORT IT!!!

CD / VCD / DVD / BD / MPEG / M2TS / MP3 are simple. If its supported, they should play. If they are dont play, then 1 or 2 things is going on. 1 - The disc/file is out of spec. 2 - Its not fully supported.

MKV / AVI are just containers that say nothing about the audio/video/other inside. Being supported means that Sage should be able to tell me whats inside - ie: how to play the file. Then, if whats inside is supported.....


EDIT

I just thought about something.. Sage never really supported DVD, but instead VOB. They are doing the same now. Sage does not support BD, but instead tiring to support M2TS. I understand they are doing this because of encryption and costs involved with certification. I'm assuming that v7 still doesn't support CD or VCD??? Is there ANY disc standard that Sage truly supports???

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by loomdog32

BD is a standard (I will admit, a changing one). If Sage says that they support BD, then they should support the BD standard. Again, I will say, defiantly awesome that Sage is attempting to implement this (fast too considering how long DVD support took on a PC).

They added BDMV, not BD playback - w/ clear caveats. We would all like more, but I don't understand why anyone is complaining about it. Would you all rather they did nothing until the full spec could be supported natively?

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by gplasky

By the same token when you buy a brand new Sony 3D they come WITHOUT any glasses.

If you want a 3D TV Panasonic and Samsung have much better options

Originally Posted by loomdog32

Dont even get me started on 3D.. I probably could write a book on how I feel about it. Short ver - for movies, maybe good. for home use, just stupid.

Have you seen 3D on a consumer display?

[loomdog32]

Originally Posted by babgvant

They added BDMV, not BD playback - w/ clear caveats. We would all like more, but I don't understand why anyone is complaining about it. Would you all rather they did nothing until the full spec could be supported natively?

I am by no means complaining about Sage's ability to partially playback BD. In fact, for multiple times now, I applauded Sage for moving forward as fast as they have been with this.


I am complaining about calling it BD support, when Sage clearly DOES NOT support BD. When Sage has full spec support, then call it BD support!

[loomdog32]

Originally Posted by babgvant

Have you seen 3D on a consumer display?

Yes, I have. In fact, I have 2 currently sitting in front of me Viewsonic vx2265wm.

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by loomdog32

I am by no means complaining about Sage's ability to partially playback BD. In fact, for multiple times now, I applauded Sage for moving forward as fast as they have been with this.


I am complaining about calling it BD support, when Sage clearly DOES NOT support BD. When Sage has full spec support, then call it BD support!

Unless I'm missing something they haven't claimed BD support:

BDMV (BluRay) folder playback in SageTV Media Center & Client for Windows
The BDMV support that has been so popular on the HD media extenders now comes to the Windows versions of SageTVClient and SageTV Media Center (codecs need to be installed by the user)

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by loomdog32

Yes, I have. In fact, I have 2 currently sitting in front of me Viewsonic vx2265wm.

You don't think having depth in the picture is a good thing?

[loomdog32]

Originally Posted by babgvant

Unless I'm missing something they haven't claimed BD support:

I personally do view that as claiming BD support, but I will cede the point, for now.

Ill PM you.. My rant has taken this thread too far off topic.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by loomdog32

I dont understand how Sage can say there is BD support when EXTRA codecs are required?

Sage requires external filters (AFAIK) for DVD support, and has since the beginning.

Originally Posted by loomdog32

I do understand that saying something like supporting a container is a slippery slope. But, I feel the same way about it. If you say you support it, SUPPORT IT!!!

CD / VCD / DVD / BD / MPEG / M2TS / MP3 are simple. If its supported, they should play. If they are dont play, then 1 or 2 things is going on. 1 - The disc/file is out of spec. 2 - Its not fully supported.

MKV / AVI are just containers that say nothing about the audio/video/other inside. Being supported means that Sage should be able to tell me whats inside - ie: how to play the file. Then, if whats inside is supported.....

So Sage should support every audio and video codec out there, at any bitrate, with any combination of streams? Let me rephrase, Sage should include decoders for every audio and video codec that exists, and decoders that support every audio or video codec at any bitrate? Seriously? Because that's what it would take to "support" (by your definition) MKV, since MKV supports any audio/video codec and any bitrate.

I just thought about something.. Sage never really supported DVD, but instead VOB.

By your definition no (you need 3rd party codecs). However they do support full DVD functionality (provided the right filters are installed) including menus and any audio/video tracks present.

They are doing the same now. Sage does not support BD, but instead tiring to support M2TS.

Not exactly. Sage doesn't support Blu-ray Discs, but they support "recognizing" BDMV structures and playing playlists.

How should Sage describe/advertise their support for recognizing and (assuming correct codecs installed) playing playlists in BDMV structures?

[Rico66]

I think it would have been more helpful, if Sage actually tells people what it takes to make it happen. Instead of saying "Additional codecs required", it'll be better if they publish a list of codecs that people should install to achieve full playback.

Right now whenever I put a BD into the drive it's about a 50% chance that the disc plays or not (and no I'm not referring to BD playback with menus etc., this is just about BDMV to playback the main title). If it doesn't play an exception pops up. No wonder that people complain about this.

But if there would be some guide lines telling people what to do instead, there would be much less complaining.

[loomdog32]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Sage requires external filters (AFAIK) for DVD support, and has since the beginning.

So Sage should support every audio and video codec out there, at any bitrate, with any combination of streams? Let me rephrase, Sage should include decoders for every audio and video codec that exists, and decoders that support every audio or video codec at any bitrate? Seriously? Because that's what it would take to "support" (by your definition) MKV, since MKV supports any audio/video codec and any bitrate.

By your definition no (you need 3rd party codecs). However they do support full DVD functionality (provided the right filters are installed) including menus and any audio/video tracks present.

Not exactly. Sage doesn't support Blu-ray Discs, but they support "recognizing" BDMV structures and playing playlists.

How should Sage describe/advertise their support for recognizing and (assuming correct codecs installed) playing playlists in BDMV structures?

Sage only has "Partial Support" for DVD. In reality it plays VOB/IFO files.

This is the direction Sage is headed with BD and M2TS. I understand why. Just dont say something is supported when thats not what is actually supported.

MKV - this was explained in the quote.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by loomdog32

Sage only has "Partial Support" for DVD. In reality it plays VOB/IFO files.

I don't know what you're talking about there. With the proper filters you can plop a DVD in the drive, hit "Play DVD" and it plays, just like it would in a standalone. Actually if they're not CSS protected I think you can do it out of the box. Further if your DVDs are ripped to the HDD and complete, it will play them just like they were in a standalone, menu an all.

I've done this with literally hundreds of DVDs in Sage.

This is the direction Sage is headed with BD and M2TS. I understand why.

Sage is heading for something a little less with BDMV structures, no direct disc playback (impossible to license the software necessary) and no menu support.

Just dont say something is supported when thats not what is actually supported.

How should they "advertise" supporting recognition and playback of BDMV structures then?

MKV - this was explained in the quote.

I just want to make sure I understand this, you think Sage should go out and license every possible video codec and every possible audio codec that anyone could possibly put in an MKV and include it in Sage?

[Striker:WG]

Originally Posted by babgvant

Can you mount a BD ISO manually? If that works and Sage can't do it for you contact support with your client log.

Are you adding the location to the library as an UNC or a local drive\folder?

I can mount a BD ISO manually and play it back in PowerDVD9 without issue.

If I mount the BD ISO manually, Sage does not see it in any manner.

I am adding the location as a local drive. I have the BD ISO's stored in the root of my F:\ drive so I have the F:\ drive added to my library. As noted earlier, trying to browse the network to add a UNC path doesn't work, it just gives an SMB://// error and trying to manually enter the UNC path prompts with Sage trying to create the folder.

-Striker-

[gplasky]

Specify the UNC path. Don't browse. Type in \\Server\SharedDVDdrive or whatever you shared the drive as.

Gerry

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by Striker:WG

I am adding the location as a local drive. I have the BD ISO's stored in the root of my F:\ drive so I have the F:\ drive added to my library. As noted earlier, trying to browse the network to add a UNC path doesn't work, it just gives an SMB://// error and trying to manually enter the UNC path prompts with Sage trying to create the folder.

Have you tried putting them in a sub-folder (e.g. BDISO) and adding that?