No PVR records Sports Overtimes correctly

[tbpub2]

There is a major feature missing in all PVR software I've ever seen: what's the point of recording the big game or the big golf match on your PVR to watch later if it's going to cut off the big finish when it goes into overtime?

Pressing "Record" on any sports event is basically useless, it almost always cuts off the end.

I know I can manually record some more time or the next show following, but I always forget it and I cut off the Sudden Death of the golf tourney today.

Is there any way to add a feature If Category=Sports and Type=LiveEvent THEN add padding +60 minutes to the time?

This is a problem crying out for an elegant solution amongst the EPG providers &c: contingency planning in EPG data.

[ErsatzTom]

Heh. I have a favorite for PGA Golf and I always have it pad an extra 30 minutes on the end just for that reason. It was just enough padding for the overtime to start. Guess I'll have to bump it up to 60 minutes.

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[FamilyMan]

Though this feature is something that we all might want, I don't think it will ever happen because there is no way to get it right programmatically. Sage (and all other PVR's) use guide data to determine the beginning and end of shows. Since sporting event guide data never takes into account the possibility of overtime, there is no way for the PVR to know that overtime is about to occur. If, as you suggested, you program the PVR to add a significant pad to the end of a sporting event recording then how do you resolve the conflicts that will occur for shows that are scheduled to record after the sporting event? Unfortunately, the most efficient way to handle sporting event overtime is via human forethought and intervention.

[mbrown3]

Not necessarily...once we get to the point of universal (or near it) constant web connection, this will be quite possible. If there is a programming source willing to embed signals for sporting events, Sage (or whatever app) could check every two minutes, for example, for new information...then it would pick up the signals that tell it a given program is going to overtime, and expand the recording time in a given block. It wouldn't need to have anytyhing to do with overtime, just that the program guide data has changed to occupy the next half hour slot. If the overtime goes longer than half an hour (as in hockey playoffs, etc.), then the program guide will change prior to each half hour to occupy the following. So constantly updated (not even necessarily "real time," just updated often enough) guide data would do this. It may be far off at this point, but it's certainly possible.

[dkardatzke]

Actually, rumor has it that Europe may soon have this capability built into the Program Stream. Then SageTV would get the information real time from the video feed and continue recording a show until it completes. Don't ask me to elaborate because this is all I know for now...

[mbrown3]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. How about in the US?

[SHS]

Actually, it not rumor Don in Europe they being this for min year now I know little about becuase some email me ask about it and why wasn't hauppauge making use this stuff.
Sorry mbrown3 the US dosen't have any thing like that.

[farfromuman]

We could get something like that with "intercast" of whatever it is called here, the Euro stuff is most likely done with "video text" feed. Both methods use spare scan lines to feed data.

[SHS]

Sorry farfromuman but Intercast a protocol created by Intel for broadcasting information, such as Web pages and programs, along with television signals to a PC. With Intercast, a user can watch television on one portion of a PC monitor while receiving relevant information often about the broadcast from the Web on another. To browse the Web for information not being broadcast or not stored on the PC, however, the user must have Internet access through an Internet Service Provider ; Intercast transmits in only one direction.
Think Microsoft WebTV that come with Windows98.

[jbrychka]

I have a similar issue. Last night I was watching a hockey game that was live but I was about an hour behind real time. I had originally setup the recording but didn't pad it. The game was really close so I wanted to add an hour to the end of the game incase it went in to overtime but I couldn't find the option. Is this padding option only available before the TV show starts?

[mbrown3]

Good question...hasn't come up for me, so I don't have an answer, but I'd love to hear a solution...especially during the playoffs...Go Flyers!

[tbpub2]

If it is a favorite, change the padding in the favorite for all instances. To change it for one instance, do an explicit record (red border) and change padding in Record options.

[turak]

Originally posted by mbrown3
Good question...hasn't come up for me, so I don't have an answer, but I'd love to hear a solution...especially during the playoffs...Go Flyers!

I need a way to set channel preference with favorites. Right now I'm using my tivo to record flyers games, but if the game is on espn and csn it will record espn which is usually blacked out.

go flyers!!!!

[mbrown3]

Yeah, I had the same problem on my TiVo...I had set up a favorite for the Flyers, but then if it showed up on both channels (guide data lists what's supposed to be shown, which sucks if one is blocked out), for some reason it would always automatically pick ESPN over CSN. Not sure why, but it irritated me. So what I did was set up one favorite for the Flyers games channel linked to CSN, and another as a "keyword" favorite, in case they showed on 17, ESPN, etc. I put the favorite CSN as top priority, the keyword as second. That way, it always takes the CSN one first. Problem solved.

I haven't used Sage much for hockey for this very reason. First, there is no channel link to favorites, and second there is no "priority list" that is automated...just have to manually check off which you want it to record, EVERY TIME there is a conflict. Hopefully V2 will address this, very helpful feature.

So, would you rather play Toronto or Ottawa? Frankly, I don't care who we beat, but I think I'd rather take Toronto. Shame about Johnsson, hopefully he'll be OK to go.

[Opus4]

Originally posted by mbrown3
I haven't used Sage much for hockey for this very reason. First, there is no channel link to favorites, and second there is no "priority list" that is automated...just have to manually check off which you want it to record, EVERY TIME there is a conflict. Hopefully V2 will address this, very helpful feature.

In V2, you can specify which channel a favorite is for & the favorites have priority based on their position in the Favorites list, with a lower number (top of the list) having higher priority. To change a fav's priority, click on the right-arrow at the far right of the fav's button & then use the up/down arrows to move it up or down in the lsit.

Is that what you were looking for?

- Andy

[mbrown3]

Yep, perfect!!! I haven't done the upgrade yet, though, which is why I don't know about it. But when final release version hits, I'm VERY glad to know these are included. Exactly what I needed...

[bettis211]

This is a problem for everyone, even if you aren't using Sage to record sports. The issue that effects me most frequently is when a basketball game is on TNT it usually effects the start times for the following shows. Frequently the beginning of recordings have 5 or so minutes of the end of a basketball game or another show and the end is cut off. If they had programming information updates that was corrected for overtime (or even a longer running game) it could also be used to update the shows after.

[jbrychka]

Originally posted by tbpub2
If it is a favorite, change the padding in the favorite for all instances. To change it for one instance, do an explicit record (red border) and change padding in Record options.

It is an explicit recording but it seems that the recording options go away once the show starts recording.
...Go Avs

[turak]

Originally posted by mbrown3


So, would you rather play Toronto or Ottawa? Frankly, I don't care who we beat, but I think I'd rather take Toronto. Shame about Johnsson, hopefully he'll be OK to go.

Toronto. Just because I think it would be more entertaining. Last year was like watching play station hockey. Anyone that got near a puc got leveled.


EDIT: Looks like it's gonna be toronto

[Juanstg]

Originally Posted by bettis211

This is a problem for everyone, even if you aren't using Sage to record sports. The issue that effects me most frequently is when a basketball game is on TNT it usually effects the start times for the following shows. Frequently the beginning of recordings have 5 or so minutes of the end of a basketball game or another show and the end is cut off. If they had programming information updates that was corrected for overtime (or even a longer running game) it could also be used to update the shows after.

This is a valid point! What happens if the game goes into overtime or there is a Presidential speech or something and your favorite program is delayed...what happens to the end of the show? One of the main points of building my own PVR was to avoid this problem. Don't get me wrong there are many other reasons for building a PVR but this is a bid deal and should be addressed by someone more sooner than later!