Will the Hauppauge IR receiver pass through other codes to Girder?

[Llamas]

I've been using the native Hauppauge PVR-250 IR support in Sage. I want to add PowerDVD to the mix, using Girder for control. My initial attempts have met with failure.

Does the Hauppauge IR receiver pass through remote codes other than those sent by a Hauppauge remote? I'm trying to use the codes for my old DVD player that are still programmed into my universal remote.

If it will only take codes from the silver remote, will I have to turn off Sage's native support, and do it all via Girder, making sure it's aware of which application is in the foreground? I'll worry about that once I figure out the initial question, I guess.

Thanks,

--Mike

[Opus4]

Some of your questions abuot the Hauppauge remote are answered in this FAQ entry.

It doesn't specifically cover Girder, but it provides info on another solution. There is Girder info for use w/that remote if you do a search.

- Andy

[Llamas]

I had a longer reply, but the web browser ate it when it made me log in...

I have Girder working on one of the clients, and I have successfully gone through the steps to set it up on the machine I'm working with now, so the how-to's of Girder are secondary to whether or not the Hauppauge IR sensor will pass along anything other than silver remote codes. I ask the question because Girder doesn't seem to be receiving a clean numeric remote code from the IR sensor when learning IR events.

That FAQ entry's reference to exceeding the silver remote's 34 code limit is promising. I'll figure this out experimentally, today.

Thanks,

--Mike

[danward79]

Hi

you can do what you are speaking of by using the event command in girder.

Dan

[Llamas]

I did not get a chance to work with this more, today, unfortunately.

Dan, the problem I'm experiencing is that when using remote codes from a JVC DVD player, I am not having any luck getting Girder to learn those codes as an event through the Hauppauge IR sensor. That's why I suspect that the driver or plugin may only pass along the set of codes that come from the silver Hauppauge remote.

--Mike

[Opus4]

Originally posted by Llamas
the problem I'm experiencing is that when using remote codes from a JVC DVD player, I am not having any luck getting Girder to learn those codes as an event through the Hauppauge IR sensor. That's why I suspect that the driver or plugin may only pass along the set of codes that come from the silver Hauppauge remote.

How are you using the Hauppauge IR receiver with Girder? (I'm asking because I've never looked into how the 2 interact.)

If the Hauppauge driver is interfacing with the IR receiver & sending the results to Girder, then as far as I know, it will only recognize RC5 IR protocol codes.

If there is a Girder plugin that uses the Hauppauge IR receiver w/o any Hauppauge software involved in the process... that's the part I'm not sure about whether any protocols other than RC5 can be recognized or not. If the IR signals are decoded in hardware on the 250, then I'm sure you will be stuck with RC5 codes only.

- Andy

[Llamas]

It uses the Hauppauge driver.

I'm going to go looking for some more info on the RC5 codes. If I can find a DVD player (for the key layout) that uses this protocol, perhaps I can map it into my universal, and go from there. My goal is to use codes discrete from the codes Sage uses. Since I'm using an MX-500 (with an irclone-mx), perhaps your work with the MX-700 will get me there.

--Mike

[Opus4]

Originally posted by Llamas
I'm going to go looking for some more info on the RC5 codes. If I can find a DVD player (for the key layout) that uses this protocol, perhaps I can map it into my universal, and go from there.

The GOOD news is that you can use a remote device code for a Philips VCR player -- many of the Philips devices use RC5, but I didn't find any DVD player codes that did. The VCRs usually use system code 5, btw. The documents I wrote say how to use other RC5 system codes, if you end up editing irremote.ini. Try VCR device code 067, in case it is the same as the one on the MX-700.

My goal is to use codes discrete from the codes Sage uses. Since I'm using an MX-500 (with an irclone-mx), perhaps your work with the MX-700 will get me there.

The BAD news is that you won't be able to use the MX-700 files, since they are not compatible with the MX-500. Can the MX-500 have keys for one device mapped to keys for another device? That's what I did on the MX-700, but the advantage it has is that it has 20 devices, so I can hide the 'source' devices on the 2nd page of 10 LCD devices. If you can copy/link one built-in RC5 code from one button to another, that would be GOOD news, because...

The BAD news is that the MX-500, like the MX-700, cannot learn RC5 codes. That code toggles, so each repeated key press (of the same key, not different keys) results in alternating codes. The MX-500 remote can't learn to do that. The Hauppauge code that uses irremote.ini doesn't like to get non-toggling RC5 IR codes. It will work OK as long as you never press the same key twice in a row.

The GOOD news might be that perhaps the Girder plugin won't care that you give it the same code when you press the same key repeatedly & may actually prefer that. If that is the case, you can create new non-toggling RC5 codes to load into IRClone & assign whatever code you wish to any/every key. The BAD news is that this might not be the case if the Girder plugin was written to recognize the Hauppage silver remote... which does toggle the codes. The GOOD news is that perhaps it was written to ignore the one bit that toggles. (Sure wish the software that uses irremote.ini ignored that toggle bit...)

The GOOD news is that if what I said in the top section works, none of these comments after the 2nd quote matter at all.

- Andy

[Llamas]

Quick response, as I'm heading out to work: My MX-500 learned the silver remote codes, just fine. I've been using it with Sage for a bit, now.

[Opus4]

I didn't mean that it couldn't learn the codes at all, I meant that it couldn't learn the toggle state of the codes. (As told to me by reps from the manufacturer.) My Hauppauge IR driver has problems when the same button is pressed twice when using the non-toggling learned codes -- it thinks it was actually pressed 3 times. You don't have that problem? If not, I would like to know what IR driver version number you are using. (Press the up arrow twice -- does it go up twice or three times? Sometimes works; sometimes doesn't?)

Hmmm... I'm also using the IR receiver on the pvr-usb2. If it decodes in hardware, I wonder if the 250 is different.

- Andy

[Opus4]

I don't know why I'm still messing with all this remote stuff, since I've got mine working they way I want it to now. I just can't seem to resist playing around with it...

Llamas: More questions for you:

- How are you using the MX-500 to control SageTV? Straight through the Hauppauge software w/o Girder? Or, are you using Girder for that too.

- For your Girder control of PowerDVD, how have you been trying to get it to work? Are you using pheitman's Girder plugin for the Hauppauge receiver? the source for that plugin appears to only send distinct codes equivalent to the Haupauge remote's buttons, not those for other system codes. (Other system codes would alltranslate to system code 0, and thus be equivalent to the old black remote.)

- Andy