Multiple recordings of same episode in the same day

[Deadbolt]

I just bugged a condition where the same show will recorded twice in the same day.

I'll find two listings in Sage Recordings, and two files with the same ID on the drive.

Has anyone else seen this?

Deadbolt

[Opus4]

Yes, I see it all the time, but only when the Show ID is not unique. Check other episodes of that show -- if they all have the same ID, there is nothing SageTV can do but record them all, since it doesn't know how to tell the difference. If the Show ID is unique, then you may have a valid problem.

- Andy

[carlgar]

Who or what assigns the Show Id? I have noticed the "Louis Rukreyser's Wall Street" is shown 3 times within a 12 hour period on MSNBC. The first two share the same ID "EP5068830084", the
third one is "SH5068830000". I wonder why the 84 became 00 for the third showing, I noticed this last week also. The first two shows occur on Friday and the third occurs on Saturday, could that have something to do with it?

edit:
Just noticed the first two show have a originally air date of 4/1/2004 the the third one has 4/18/2002. However, the second and third are the same when I viewed them.

Edit: Corrected the prefix from SH to EP which I had overlooked.

[Opus4]

I don't know who assigns the IDs, though I would imagine it would be the company providing the guide data, unless there is some sort of industry standard ID format.

It looks like the 506883 portion identifies that 'series' & the last 4 digits identify the episode. Not sure why some are unique & others aren't for that show, but the 4/18/2002 date is probably the date the show was given an ID, since I think his show has aired for longer than that... otherwise I guess that would be when the series first aired.

All speculation, of course.

- Andy

[Deadbolt]

The show IDs are the same..but if that ID has already been recorded it is supposed to not be recorded again.

Deadbolt

[Opus4]

Originally posted by Deadbolt
The show IDs are the same..but if that ID has already been recorded it is supposed to not be recorded again.

Reread my first reply. If every episode of a series has the same ID, it will record them all & it cannot remember whether you've watched a specific episode after it has been deleted. In fact, it will record the same episode again, even while the first one is sitting on your hard drive. Happens to me all the time with "Who's Line is It Anyway". The American episodes on Family nearly all have the same ID; the British ones on Comedy have unique IDs.

What show are you talking about?

- Andy

[carlgar]

Opus4,
I would consider 4/18/2002 date quite suspect. I don't think it was even on CNBC at that time, but I tend to lose track of time. The show was on PBS before that but I think it was call "Wall Streek Week with Loius Rukreyser".
This issue is getting more interesting, just looked at next week. All three program times have the same ID of SH5068830000 with an orig. air date of 4/18/2002 and a rerun status. I doubt very much if this will be a rerun, I don't recall ever seeing a rerun of this show after the week it is recorded.

[Opus4]

I looked at those Louis Rukeyser shows again... the one for 4/3 has a unique ID & description. The 5 (3 on CNBC, 2 on PBS) for next weekend do not. Perhaps they are given a unique ID when they know who will be on the show & it will be upated over the course of this week? On the other hand, you said one of the ones this weekend had no ID... ?? I know his show was on PBS for far longer, but the 4/18 date could have been for a title change and/or when it was added to CNBC.

As for the rerun status... there are channels devoted to playing old game shows, old series, old movies... why not some nostalgia shows for old financial news??

- Andy

[carlgar]

I think you misread my post. The third showing for this weekend had an ID but the last 2 digits were 00 instead of 84 like the first two.

When you say the shows for next weekend do not, are you looking at the detailed info? Is the Show ID line just show Show ID: or the entire line is missing?

Actually, he was kicked off PBS, when he went to CNBC. However, he does make the CNBC version available for PBS but mine does not carry it. I was thinking this change took place last summer I don't think it could have been almost 2 years ago. Giving it more though, it may be reasonable since I finally broke down and got cable just over 2 years ago.

[Opus4]

I didn't misread it... when I said "no ID", I meant it had no unique ID. Similarly, I meant that the shows for next weekend all had an ID ending in 0000. Sorry for the confusion. A series (not a movie) with the last 4 digits set to 0 _seems_ to indicate that each individual episode does not have a unique ID. As I said above, though, I'm speculating based on what I see in the guide -- I don't really know the ID system's set of rules.

- Andy

[carlgar]

It looks to me like the Show ID 3 different prefixes. The MV is used just for movies. Most other programs use EP or SH. The SH is used mostly for news and financial shows that do not have episode titles. The last 4 digits always seem to be 0000. The EP is used for shows that do have episodes and the last 4 digits is an episode indicator.

Currently, it looks like every news program I look at has a rerun status of rerun. I would think that it would be first run and this could be indicated by the SH prefix for the Show ID. I very be very interested if anyone sees anything to invalidate this

[Opus4]

Originally posted by carlgar
It looks to me like the Show ID 3 different prefixes. The MV is used just for movies. Most other programs use EP or SH. The SH is used mostly for news and financial shows that do not have episode titles. The last 4 digits always seem to be 0000. The EP is used for shows that do have episodes and the last 4 digits is an episode indicator.

Makes sense to me... Those are the only ones I've noticed so far too:

• MV = MoVie ID
• SH = SHow title's ID/Series ID
• EP = EPisode ID.

But, SH is used for more than just news/financial shows: as I mentioned above, "Whose Line" has no unique ID & uses a SH prefix, for example. It seems to be used for an entire series.

Currently, it looks like every news program I look at has a rerun status of rerun. I would think that it would be first run and this could be indicated by the SH prefix for the Show ID. I very be very interested if anyone sees anything to invalidate this

I can invalidate it. The first run/rerun status is a separate flag. Also, I have a show from Discovery, "Barbarians: The Battle for Rome", that has an ID of SH6393540000 & is listed as a first run.

- Andy

[kny3twalker]

The data used in the guide definitely needs an upgrade
I watch the worlds strongest man and it comes on in two half hours shows back to back and Sage will always only record one, so you see only half of the show
Sportscenter you put it as a favorite and you get every showing of it that day
I still got two channels I can get rid of but the fresh install of .15 will be soon and hopefully no more
But I am sure there is more......
The guide data needs to be more complete
but overall quite happy

[Deadbolt]

Originally posted by Opus4
Reread my first reply. If every episode of a series has the same ID, it will record them all & it cannot remember whether you've watched a specific episode after it has been deleted. In fact, it will record the same episode again, even while the first one is sitting on your hard drive. Happens to me all the time with "Who's Line is It Anyway". The American episodes on Family nearly all have the same ID; the British ones on Comedy have unique IDs.

What show are you talking about?

- Andy

It can't remember whetere you've watched a specific episode after it has been deleted? I thought that was the whole point of the "watched" key...so you wouldn't have the same episode recorded again.

I'm talking about TechLive. It is on with the same ID twice a day...and both get recorded. With other shows, if an episode is shown and recorded, then shown again later in the day or another day...it is not recorded even if I haven't watched it (as long as it has not been deleted in Sage). Of course if it was marked as "watched" and deleted it also is not recorded.

I didn't see this problem behavior with any other beta or 1.4 ... only .15 and it happens with about 3 of my shows. It is not the intenede funtion.

Deadbolt

[stanger89]

I think what they're getting at is that if all episodes have the same ID then Sage can't tell which ones you've watched (or already recorded) and therefore records all of them.

[Opus4]

Deadbolt: Stanger89 got it exactly. I'm not saying you aren't experiencing a problem, just that it _might_ not be a problem: if _every_ episode has the same ID, not just those 2 on one day, there is no problem. I would look it up in my guide, but I don't get anything with "TechLive" in its title.

Originally posted by Deadbolt
It can't remember whetere you've watched a specific episode after it has been deleted? I thought that was the whole point of the "watched" key...so you wouldn't have the same episode recorded again.

Please read more carefully what was written: Of course it can remember what you've watched, _if_ every distinct episode has a _unique_ ID. Some shows don't have unique IDs for each separate episode.

I'm talking about TechLive. It is on with the same ID twice a day...and both get recorded. With other shows, if an episode is shown and recorded, then shown again later in the day or another day...it is not recorded even if I haven't watched it (as long as it has not been deleted in Sage). Of course if it was marked as "watched" and deleted it also is not recorded.

Look at _all_ the future airings of TechLive -- do they all have the same ID (ends in 0000), or does each episode have its own ID (ends with 4 digits, some 0, some not)?

1) If all episodes have the same ID, you are seeing expected behavior.

2) If each episode has a unique ID, with repeats of the same episode having indentical IDs, yet you are getting those same episodes recorded multiple times, you have a bug.

This was the exact point of my first post... which just didn't have as much typing involved. My intention was simply to help narrow down whether it was really a bug or not.

- Andy

[Deadbolt]

Opus4,

Thanks for the clarification. I just checked and case 2 is what is happening. Each episode as unique ID (in this case 4/4 episode is EP4368000547, and the 4/5 episode is EP4368000548). But the 4/4 episode is played 4 times total...once on 4/4, and 3 times on 4/5 prior to the new 4/5 episode. Since the all 4 times are the 4/4 episode they have the EP4368000547 ID. Sage records them all. I have autodelete set for a max of two...so I only end up with two copies of the same show..but it records them all if it can.

Deadbolt

[Opus4]

OK, that clears it up -- you are certainly right that the correct operation would seem to be to only record 1 of each of those episodes, since they are easily distinguishable!

Sorry if I threw you off track, but the non-unique ID stuff seems to come up frequently enough to double check that part of this. You know how long it took me to figure out why the same "Whose Line" episodes kept getting recorded!?

- Andy

[chako]

Hey guys,

It seems that if I record two episodes of any re-run program one right after the other, the second one does NOT record even though it is a different episode. It sounds like this is the reverse of what you're experiencing as if the bug was fixed causing undesired results. What do you think?