HD200 Native Resolution Switching also switches UI res

[TwistedMelon]

The Native Resolution Switching mode will also cause the UI resolution to switch, possibly creating a low resolution and poorly rendered menu system. That lower resolution will remain in effect until you play some other video which causes the resolution to go back to your previous setting or you manually switch resolutions.

My suggestion is that the UI be preserved at the currently set default output resolution (settings>multimedia) regardless of the resolution output while playing video fullscreen.

That means you can be at 1080i, play back a 480i video which causes the output to change to 480i, then press the HOME or another button which calls up fullscreen UI, and the resolution would change back to 1080i. Going back to fullscreen video switches back to 480i.

Working in this manner is a tougher engineering problem to solve, but makes for a much better interface and user experience. Even if it's created as an optional parameter (UI resolution: changes with video or stays at defined resolution)

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by TwistedMelon

My suggestion is that the UI be preserved at the currently set default output resolution (settings>multimedia) regardless of the resolution output while playing video fullscreen.

That means you can be at 1080i, play back a 480i video which causes the output to change to 480i, then press the HOME or another button which calls up fullscreen UI, and the resolution would change back to 1080i. Going back to fullscreen video switches back to 480i.

The UI will revert to your desired/default resolution when you select Stop to stop playing a video.

Working in this manner is a tougher engineering problem to solve, but makes for a much better interface and user experience.

Constantly changing resolutions back and forth whenever you go into a menu or not? That would be better than the way it works now?

[TwistedMelon]

[QUOTE=stanger89;325399]The UI will revert to your desired/default resolution when you select Stop to stop playing a video.[quote]

I've never pressed stop in all my years using SageTV or any other PVR. This is another manual interface for something that should have the option to be automated.

Constantly changing resolutions back and forth whenever you go into a menu or not? That would be better than the way it works now?

Only when the menu is fullscreen. And yes, for the most part it would be better than what's in place now. It provides a consistent UI instead of one that gets downgraded depending on the video content you play. This is how most, if not all consumer devices work - devices that support multiple output resolutions anyway, such as settop boxes.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by TwistedMelon

Only when the menu is fullscreen. And yes, for the most part it would be better than what's in place now.

Really? Do me a favor/experiment. For say one show, make a point of hitting stop every time you want to go back to the menu. This will cause Sage to switch back to the default resolution. I think you'll find the ~5 seconds it can take for the VP/display to resync to the new resolution will get old very quickly.

It provides a consistent UI instead of one that gets downgraded depending on the video content you play. This is how most, if not all consumer devices work - devices that support multiple output resolutions anyway, such as settop boxes.

"Most" consumer devices don't offer native output switching based on content.

[TwistedMelon]

[QUOTE=stanger89;325408]Really? Do me a favor/experiment. For say one show, make a point of hitting stop every time you want to go back to the menu. This will cause Sage to switch back to the default resolution. I think you'll find the ~5 seconds it can take for the VP/display to resync to the new resolution will get old very quickly.[quote]

I did advocate making this an option didn't I? Don't want to force anyone to have to wait for their slow devices, just like I don't like to be forced to see the menu systems in alternating resolutions. My current TV takes 1 second or less to switch resolutions, but I'll try what you suggested for empirical evidence.

"Most" consumer devices don't offer native output switching based on content.

? cable boxes, satellite boxes and other STBs used to play back mixed SD/HD content. Mind you I don't have every brand of every type of device.

I try not to advocate that one thing should simply be like another for no good reason. My desires for Sage are simply geared to have it work as best as possible given the wide assortment of people, sources and devices it will connect with.

[Slipshod]

[QUOTE=TwistedMelon;325536]

Originally Posted by stanger89

? cable boxes, satellite boxes and other STBs used to play back mixed SD/HD content. Mind you I don't have every brand of every type of device.

You should make that "satellite box", not "boxes". Dish Network doesn't support native resolution on any of their boxes. DirectTV does on the newer ones, but my old HD Direct-Tivo did not (which I loved, in spite of DirectTV crippling it).

The comcast HD box I had briefly (may it rest in peace, and not return from the grave to haunt me) did not.

My Xbox360 doesn't seem to (I don't use it to play DVDs or video though) - I did have to explicitly set an output resolution though, so I'm going to assume it doesn't.

I to say that all the "consumer" gear I have ever owned (and I'm... wait for it... LEGENDARY among my friends as a tech-aholic) hasn't had native passthrough.

One of the key reasons I looked at SageTV in the first place is that it (combined with the R5000HD and the HD Extender) was the only way to get native passthrough on Dish Network. Little did I know I'd have other problems with my freaking TV's HDMI over 480i, but hey - at least I have the option of fixing it with a Yamaha RX-Z7 or an $800 video processing box.