pvr-350 issues

[Scriber]

Originally posted by Jim S.
What I noticed the other day is that the video stops playing on the 350 at the same time the OSD is being taken away-- I was trying to test if the video would keep playing if I kept the OSD on the screen by constantly changing the volume, but I haven't had time to play with it.

But yeah, the OSD is killing my 350 as well. If I turn it off, all is fine, turn it on, video freezes on playback. Annoying!

Funny, now that you mention that, you are 100% correct. The hang is indeed AFTER the UI display is "removed" during playback.

It would be nice if somehow I could temporarily (until its fixed) shut-off JUST the UI during playback (keep the rest of the UI going) so at least I can use the 350 UI for all other benefits. No idea if that's simple or not. Good idea? Thought about a temporary feature request.

FWIW: i845grg mobo; XP (even installing sage right after clean install); occurs regardless of several video/sound cards tried.

[Jim S.]

It's an old Dell 1.5GHz P4, so I assume some Intel chipset.

The board works fine with 1.4, or 2.X with the OSD turned off. It's only when the OSD is enabled that I have a problem, and then the issue is that the video stops playing-- all the other menu stuff works perfectly (assuming I have preview turned off as well, of course)

[Deadbolt]

I just noticed that my screensaver is working on 2.0.13 through the PVR-350. I didn't think this was fixed yet, and didn't test it until recently because I figured it didn't work. Anyone else get this to work? I noticed this after making several software codec changes...but I can't see how this would affect this issue. Also, I have software decoding off, and UI via PVR-350 on.

Edit: Actually, I'm not getting the "End-of-file" bug anymore either.

There isn't a chance Frey is pushing out updates when EPG data is collected is there? CONSPIRACY!

EDIT: Nevermind....I just got the "end-of-file" bug again

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[Crashless]

Things aren't looking good for those with Intel MBs...yikes. Someone call Hauppauge.

[Jim S.]

Well, the funky thing is that after the video locks up, I can usually get the OSD back, so I'm not 100% convinced it's a problem with the hauppage/mobo as it is a problem with how Jeff implemented the OSD. I need to play more this weekend to gather more data.

[Gendalia]

I'm running my 350 on a Celeron 700, a tyan S1854 (I believe), UI enabled, hardware encoding only, it mostly works, except UI doesn't come back after sleep until video is played.

[maximumpig]

any of the frey development people are following this thread?

and I wonder what they make of it? any sense to why intel chipsets would have issues that amd's wouldn't?

I sure hope they are aware of this issue, in any event.

It seems to be somewhat widely shared.

[fidget]

Originally posted by Gendalia
I'm running my 350 on a Celeron 700, a tyan S1854 (I believe), UI enabled, hardware encoding only, it mostly works, except UI doesn't come back after sleep until video is played.

I believe that the UI not coming back is an issue with the Hauppauge drivers. The latest version (from shspvr.com) should solve that problem. Especially if the UI does not appear until you play the video when Sage is initially launched.

[mikejaner]

any of the frey development people are following this thread?

and I wonder what they make of it? any sense to why intel chipsets would have issues that amd's wouldn't?

I sure hope they are aware of this issue, in any event.

It seems to be somewhat widely shared.

I think it's the quality of the chipsets that are affecting the Hauppauge cards.

I have a Celeron 2.4 running on an ATI chipset, and all is good.
Some people have Nforce2 with Athlon Processors and all is good.

This tells me it's more relate to the chipset manufacturers, and not the processors.
It looks like people want to avoid Intel, SIS, and VIA for now.
mikejaner

[maximumpig]

how do we know this is not a driver or program code issue? for example, wintv2000 which comes with the pvr-350 does not lock up my pc when it reaches the end of a file.

[fidget]

Originally posted by maximumpig
how do we know this is not a driver or program code issue? for example, wintv2000 which comes with the pvr-350 does not lock up my pc when it reaches the end of a file.

Is wintv2000 also displaying the MPEG on your PC screen? My guess, and it is only a guess, is that without software decoding enabled there is too little time between the commanded reset of the MPEG decoder and the next MPEG stream. With the software decoder, there is enough time due to the re-initialization of the software decoder.

[Scriber]

Originally posted by mikejaner


I think it's the quality of the chipsets that are affecting the Hauppauge cards.

I have a Celeron 2.4 running on an ATI chipset, and all is good.
Some people have Nforce2 with Athlon Processors and all is good.

This tells me it's more relate to the chipset manufacturers, and not the processors.

I have the UI issue but not the EOF bug w/intel as others do. If chipsets are really the issue, it should be consistent, no? OTOH, I have a similar UI hang using GBPVR using the 350 OSD. Strange.

Originally posted by mikejaner
It looks like people want to avoid Intel, SIS, and VIA for now.
mikejaner

That's a whole lot to avoid...

[maximumpig]

hmmmm
fidget has intrigued me with his hypothesis
perhaps I will do some experiments this weekend and report my results

one question I have is (for those for whom there is no EOF bug) what does SageTV do when it reaches the end of a recorded show? does it revert to a UI screen or roll on to another recorded program?

[mikejaner]

one question I have is (for those for whom there is no EOF bug) what does SageTV do when it reaches the end of a recorded show? does it revert to a UI screen or roll on to another recorded program?

When watching a recorded show, it reverts back to the UI with the list of shows. When watching live tv, it pauses for about a half a second between shows.

mikejaner

[Scriber]

Originally posted by maximumpig
one question I have is (for those for whom there is no EOF bug) what does SageTV do when it reaches the end of a recorded show? does it revert to a UI screen or roll on to another recorded program?

For me (no EOF bug), the last image stays on the TV but as I mentioned I have the UI playback bug so the UI is off so it makes little difference whether its the last image, bars, or whatever. Sage works fine (no lockup) and I can then proceed to another recording etc. Curious if the EOF bug and the UI hang are mutually exclusive????

[Chilli]

Originally posted by mikejaner
one question I have is (for those for whom there is no EOF bug) what does SageTV do when it reaches the end of a recorded show? does it revert to a UI screen or roll on to another recorded program?

When watching a recorded show, it reverts back to the UI with the list of shows. When watching live tv, it pauses for about a half a second between shows.

mikejaner

Ditto for me.

[fidget]

I haven't tried disabling the software decoder for a while, so gave it a shot tonight. Finally, after much testing, I can say that my system now works without having to have the software decoder running . My system consists of the following:

EPIA M @1 GHz
256 MB RAM (32 MB dedicated to the integrated video)
WindowsXP Home SP1
version 1.17.390.22019 of the Hauppauge driver
PVR-350 (of course)
SaveTV Client 2.0.13 Beta
PVR-350 Decoder: Enabled
PVR-350 OSD: Enabled
Hardware Decode Only: Enabled (of course)

[Deadbolt]

FYI on the 'end-of-file' bug

I just found that on my system if I run the screensaver, I get no 'end-of-file' bug. If I leave the system on at the main menu all day I will always get the bug.

The only thing is...while the SageTV screensaver is on I get stutter with my network encoder .... I guess it is always something!

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