Support for Digital TV tuner cards ?

[scourt]

I've browsed through the hardware support forums but didn't see anything mentioned about digital TV, except people connecting the output of their set-top box to the input of their PVR250/350 card.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but isn't digital TV broadcast as MPEG2 ? If that's the case, then wouldn't a digital TV tuner card like the AverTV DVB-T from www.avermedia.com only require small CPU usage levels in order to capture the video ?

The main reason I'm asking is because the price of the hauppauge products in Australia are dramatically more expensive that they are in the US. The PAL version of the PVR350 retails for about A$519 (or US$385!). In comparison, the Avermedia DVB-T retails for about A$180 (or US$133) which is alot easier to swallow.

What are the chances of the friendly sage programmers being able to add support for these cards ?

[SHS]

Yes Digital TV pass though MPEG stream data becuase it all ready per-encode in MPEG-2 format know Transport stream (TS) but it at lot higher bitrate 15to80MB/sec which mean you can't change it to VCD/SVCD/DVD you have re-encode it with software MPEG encoder.
Yes a very small CPU usage in order to capture (But it not really capturing anything more like streaming it) the video but not decoding it need lot more CPUage then DVD do.

Where do you come up with US$385? when only sale US$200 or about AUD$270 dallor not count the S/H cost.
As under stand it, it not price of the hauppauge products that high it Australia import/sale TAX that high.

[mikesm]

Is the DVB-T capable of recieving OTA ATSC HDTV? Their website is useless for specs...

Thanks,
Mike

[scourt]

SHS, I just checked www.newmagic.com.au and their price for the PVR350 is A$529 which is equivalent to US$393 (with todays exchange rate of A$1 = US$0.744).

Australia has a 10% goods and services tax, so the high price isn't due to the tax. I've spoken with someone at newmagic and they claim the price is significantly higher because the have to modify for use in Oz. Not sure why though.

I probably wouldn't hesitate spending $500 on a PVR350 if it played DVD's as well, but everyone keeps saying that it doesn't/can't.

I got a response from AverMedia yesterday stating that they are releasing a new analog tuner with hardware encoder sometime in January. Hopefully this will be a viable alternative to the PVR350.

[SHS]

Oh that rigth audio fromat is way diff then other country but this onon the tuner it self.
You could buy one in US or any where eles as long you didn't use the Tuner it work juist find.
That rigth the PVR350 can't played DVD that why I have PVR 250 and REALmagic Xcard.

[SHS]

AverMedia New M150 I see this on newegg.com
I don't see M172

[mikesm]

AverMedia New M150 I see this on newegg.com

Interesting - it says it has a hardware MPEG encoder... How hard would it be for Sage to support this? At $79, it's a very good price.

Thanks,
Mike

[SHS]

I have no idea mike being it build a diff

[gplasky]

How about this one?


AverMedia M179


Gerry

[SHS]

The tuner don't work that what a lot MCE user say

[dkardatzke]

Gerry,

We experienced some quality issues with the tuner on the M179 like SHS said during our testing.

[gplasky]

Thanks for the info. Was just curious seeing it was at a pretty good price.


Gerry

[wanderer]

scourt - If you look through past posts there was some discussion about supporting DVB type cards. The thread is here.

I suspect the US PVR-350 card will do PAL output. I'm sure someone here could test that. My PVR-350 should arrive soon so I can test that myself shortly. SHS can probably comment on the US Hauppauge cards and the level of PAL support offered.

Why are Hauppauge cards so expensive in AUS? The general rule of thumb for importers of goods in AUS is take the wholesale price and DOUBLE it, then onsell the cards to retailers who mark it up another 15-40%. I saw it for years and years.

If you want to get a good sageTV box up and running, you should grab a US PVR-250 and use the S-video input. Then you can run Foxtel, Optus, etc, into that. You don't have enough FTA TV channels (and thus DVB channels) to warrant a PVR alone for FTA - there's only 5 channels and you know 2 of those don't show anything great

[SHS]

Well if need a list other with same fellowing chipset that may or may not work out the box.
Conexant CX23415, Conexant CX23416 or iCompression iTVC15
List of card with above chipset
Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 250
Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 350
Hauppauge WinTV-PVR2 USB
VideOh! DVD Media Center PCI Edition (AVC-2010 or AVC-2410)
Pixela PIX-MPTV/P1W
Pixela PIX-MPTV/P2W
Pixela PIX-MPTV/U2W
Pixela PIX-CTV100PW
Yuan MPG160 PCI TV
Yuan MPG600 PCI TV
Yuan MPB600 USB 2.0 TV Pro
Yuan MPB800 USB 2.0 TV Pro
ProVideo Multimedia PV256C Pro
ProVideo Multimedia PV256T Pro
Provideo Multimedia PV258T
Pentamedia NAVIS Pro
AVerMedia M150 AVerTV PVR TV Tuner
AVerMedia M179 AVerTV PVR TV Tuner
I-O Data GV-M2TV/PCI
I-O Data GV-M2TV/USB2
I-O Data GV-MPG3TV/PCI
I-O Data GV-MVP-RX
I-O Data GV-MVP-RZ
ATI E-Home Wonder
WinFast PVR2000
AOpen VA2000MAX-SNT6

Most Interesting one is from I-O Data the GV-MVP
NEC PD64084
Y/C Separation
NEC PD64031A
Ghost Reducer
But Japanm only stuff

I did put in a REQ on what I like to see as for improvement in next Conexant CX234xx Hardware Encoder/Decoder chip.
Digital 3D Y/C Separation
Digital 3D Digital Noise Reduction
Digital 3D Frame Synchronizer
Digital Line Time Base Corrector (TBC)
Digital Auto Gain Control (AGC)
Digital Tuner
Ghost Reducer
Chroma Processing
REALtime Video Crop with Resize mode
Hardware DCDi (Directional Correlation Deinterlacing) or maybe Hardware Motion Adaptive Deinterlacing
12 Tap or better
Full Audio codec support LPCM, MPEG, AC3 (DD2.0) and MP3
AVI (Live Perview), MPEG Video (all stream type)
Hardware Decoder to support DVD decoding for something like the 350 and better usage of Hardware decoder like add VGA passthought for FullScreen and WindowsSreen Mode for Hardware Decoder and maybe VIP and most of all chip die size need be small .18 or more to help cut on over heating same gose for the Video DAC/Digitizer.

[JasonJoel]

Yeah, and the AverMedia M150 is only *$79* at NewEgg.

I think I'll order one and try to get it to work in Sage TV. Now that Aver has agred to publically release the drivers for the card (it is supposed to be OEM only) it might work.

If not, I'll have to setup a WinXP MCE box with it I guess.

Jason

[DRH]

Jason,

Any luck with the M150 card a SageTV?

[dagar]

Any new info on DVB support?

[shuban0]

DVB-C and DVB-T are supposed to be supported (unofficially).
Hopefully DVB-S will be supported in the near future as well.
http://forums.sage.tv/forums/showthr...&highlight=dvb