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Old 11-23-2006, 07:11 PM
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Zune - transcoding video

Ok, I've learned a little bit more about how the Zune and the Zune Software coexist and which formats are supported.

Ideally, video would need to be converted to the following format. This is the only format that the Zune supports natively.

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Format: Windows Media Video (.wmv)
Video codec: Windows Media Video 9 (Simple, Main, and Advanced Profiles), Windows Media Video 9 Screen, Windows Media Video 9 Image Version 2, Windows Media Video 9 VCM.
Video resolution: up to 320x240 (QVGA) or 320x180 (16:9 QVGA)
Maximum video bit rate: 500 Kbps (recommended for the best balance of optimal battery life and video quality) up to 1.5 Mbps
Video peak bit rate: up to 1.5 Mbps
Complexity or profile: Main profile, VBR
Audio codec: Windows Media Audio (.wma)
Maximum audio bit rate: WMA Standard, CBR, 128 Kbps (recommended), up to 192 Kbps, Stereo, 44.1 kHz
Maximum total bit rate: 1.692 Mbps, 1.5 Mbps for peak video plus 192 Kbps for audio
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However, the Zune software will take the following formats and convert them to WMV before transferring them to the Zune.

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Windows Media Video (.wmv) - all bit rates and resolutions
MPEG4 (.mp4, .m4v, .mov) - Simple profile, all bit rates and resolutions
H.264 (.mp4, .m4v, .mov) - Baseline and Main profiles, all bit rates and resolutions
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I've successfully converted video to H.264 and then had the Zune software convert it to WMV, and it looks/sounds great on the Zune. But, as you can imagine, converting a MPG to one of the supported formats and then having the Zune software convert that to WMV seems like a waste of time.

I've tried using Windows Media Encoder 9 to encode to WMV directly, but that program is horrific. Anyone have any suggestions of other programs that will create a WMV?

EDIT: Oh, meant to ask if anyone knew the settings for the SageTVTranscoder to create a WMV. I've tried many combinations, but none seem to work.

BTW, as far as I can tell, the Zune software DRMs the converted video and deletes it from the Zune when it expires.

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Old 11-23-2006, 10:48 PM
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The biggest issue is that you need to write DRM'd files for it to work on Zune AFAIK. If its like the hoops you have to go through to just play DRM'd files I imagine it would be quite expensive as well as irritating to pull off.
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Old 11-24-2006, 09:47 AM
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SageTV's transcoder does not support encoding to any WindowsMedia formats.
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Old 11-24-2006, 07:04 PM
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EDIT: Oh, meant to ask if anyone knew the settings for the SageTVTranscoder to create a WMV.
SageTV's transcoder does support encoding to "Windows Media Video 8" format:
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SageTVTranscoder.exe  -i InFile.mpg  -vcodec wmv2  OutFile.wmv
But if I were you, I'd just go find Bill Gates and return that Zune thing.

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Old 12-19-2006, 01:20 PM
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Zune doesn't require DRM

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The biggest issue is that you need to write DRM'd files for it to work on Zune AFAIK. If its like the hoops you have to go through to just play DRM'd files I imagine it would be quite expensive as well as irritating to pull off.
That would be false. The Zune is quite capable of displaying non-DRM WMV files.
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Old 01-15-2007, 01:21 PM
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Format: Windows Media Video (.wmv)
Video codec: Windows Media Video 9 (Simple, Main, and Advanced Profiles), Windows Media Video 9 Screen, Windows Media Video 9 Image Version 2, Windows Media Video 9 VCM.
Video resolution: up to 320x240 (QVGA) or 320x180 (16:9 QVGA)
Maximum video bit rate: 500 Kbps (recommended for the best balance of optimal battery life and video quality) up to 1.5 Mbps
Video peak bit rate: up to 1.5 Mbps
Complexity or profile: Main profile, VBR
Audio codec: Windows Media Audio (.wma)
Maximum audio bit rate: WMA Standard, CBR, 128 Kbps (recommended), up to 192 Kbps, Stereo, 44.1 kHz
Maximum total bit rate: 1.692 Mbps, 1.5 Mbps for peak video plus 192 Kbps for audio
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I was just looking over this format. I'm looking for a way to get WMV9 files, too. I have a Moto Q and my wife has a Pocket PC. These resolutions would work great on both devices and would be all that we need to pop TV shows on to our SD cards and go. This would make a great 6.1 enhancement!

The other option would be to have a Placeshifter client for Windows Mobile, but this wouldn't be quite as easy, I'm sure.
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Old 02-12-2007, 06:21 PM
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Not that I suggest one player over another (Zune vs Zen vs iPod etc) ... but I've had no issues converting files using the ImTOO software (http://www.imtoo.com/dvd-to-zune-converter.html) --- of course, it will depend on what format you start with for the source, but their software is pretty stinkin' good here.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:02 PM
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I have had moderate luck using the iPod setting with my new Zune. The Zune software will have to re-convert it during sync, but other than that, it has worked. However I am looking into some alternatives right now too.
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Old 02-18-2007, 07:59 PM
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Just got a Zune so I'll have to try to do some encoding. I think I'm going to start with AutoMKV. There is really good tutorial on videohelp.com. I don't really want to have to buy a $30 shareware program do it.

http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=319372

I will let you know how it goes.

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Old 03-01-2007, 08:53 PM
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Well so far I haven't had a lot of luck. I've been able to convert various divx files to WMV using a front end called SUPER, and that worked good, but it errors part of the way through on a 1 hour MPEG-TS file. Same thing with MEncoder264. In both of those front ends I get zero information on what the real error was, so it's impossible to troubleshoot. I just tried imtoo, (which is cripple-ware so I can only encode the first 5 minutes (what a joke)), and that error'd out too (again with no actual error message).

I remember an issue a while back where other programs had issues with TS files that were created by Sage. I thought that was fixed. Anyone know of a way to check the TS file to make sure it isn't corrupted?

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Old 03-05-2007, 10:25 AM
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I never did get the Zune working quite perfect. In the end, I opted to exchange it for a PSP instead. Granted, I no longer have 30gb of storage space, however the 2gb I do have is more than enough for 5-6 1 hr recordings at "good" quality, or 2 recordings at "high" quality.
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