Important Version 6 Upgrade Information

[geogecko]

I think that was due to some manufacturers being promised Vista to be bundled with their systems, and M$ slipped the ship date, so they made a deal with M$ to provide the free upgrade.

[heffe2001]

Originally Posted by rickgillyon

I've bought 4 Dell PCs and 4 laptops in the past three months, never seen such a thing yet.

Well, that might be because they didn't start doing it until October 1st...

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/windo...ber-195047.php

And for the record, I've gotten about 6 Dell lappies, and 4 or 5 desktops in the past 3 months and haven't either, but I fully expect the 2 that are coming tomorrow morning to be vista-upgrade ready via free upgrade.

[rickgillyon]

I think Micro$oft probably have better cashflow than Sage...

[rfutscher]

Originally Posted by Narflex

This has specifically been fixed in V6. It now scans and finds all ATSC channels and can extract the EPG data from the streams when the channel provides it.

I guess I will just have to pay for the bug fix.

I have no problem paying for new features but to have to pay to have bugs fixed is another story.

[Cabalsan]

I couldn't find this in any other post, but will there be an upgrade fee of $40 to goto v7 when it comes out in a few months?

And so on and son on??

Everytime a slightly improved ver comes out will we need to pay to upgrade?

IMHO, the change log from v5 to v6 does NOT justify the cost.

Now from ver 1.3 to v3, thats an improvement well worth it.

v3 to v5, maybe. I kinda like the UI of v3 best! Get rid of the redundant and useless "watch TV" link on the front UI - I mean comeone, we have a friggin EPG!!

The only reason for me to goto v5 few weeks ago was Placeshifter.

So either v6 should be a major upgrade, not a roadbump, and giving for free and ver7 ought to be a huge reworkign top to bottom and that would be an upgrade charge.

Its not the cost, its the principle here (as I don my flame retardent vest on for the onslaught thats probably gonna hit me for above comments).

Just my 2 cents

[naln]

I have been using SageTV for a few years now and have been very pleased with their upgrade policy....until now!

I agree that the free ride could not last forever- but all the same I would like to see that the next upgrades are free of cost at least for a while and that the upgrades are really worth the cost. I always felt that free upgrades were what set Sage apart from most softwares.

One look at the upgraded features list will convince most of us to fork out the $30. That said, I think it is now time SageTV included more features requested like CC and PIP support etc.

[rickgillyon]

If v6 isn't worth it for you, DON'T BUY IT!!!

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by heffe2001

This isn't entirely true, if you were to buy a new PC today, it comes with a coupon for a free copy of the equivilent version of Vista (providing that the PC wasn't built months ago, but even then, with proof of purchase, most PC manufactures will pony up the upgrade)

And let's not kid ourselves. What you're going to get is Vista Home Basic. Just enough to make you upgrade.

Gerry

[AngelofDeth]

Originally Posted by Cabalsan

I couldn't find this in any other post, but will there be an upgrade fee of $40 to goto v7 when it comes out in a few months?

And so on and son on??

Everytime a slightly improved ver comes out will we need to pay to upgrade?

IMHO, the change log from v5 to v6 does NOT justify the cost.

Now from ver 1.3 to v3, thats an improvement well worth it.

v3 to v5, maybe. I kinda like the UI of v3 best! Get rid of the redundant and useless "watch TV" link on the front UI - I mean comeone, we have a friggin EPG!!

The only reason for me to goto v5 few weeks ago was Placeshifter.

So either v6 should be a major upgrade, not a roadbump, and giving for free and ver7 ought to be a huge reworkign top to bottom and that would be an upgrade charge.

Its not the cost, its the principle here (as I don my flame retardent vest on for the onslaught thats probably gonna hit me for above comments).

Just my 2 cents

Don't buy if it isn't worth it. If I had to buy it, it would be worth it for the MVP upgrades alone, assuming the two issues ive seen are fixed by release...

[naln]

Originally Posted by Cabalsan

Its not the cost, its the principle here (as I don my flame retardent vest on for the onslaught thats probably gonna hit me for above comments).

I agree with you about the principle.

But I am justifying this 'paid' upgrade mostly considering the fact that sage has not charged for any upgrades in the past and for those of us who paid for the v1 and v2, this is a big change and a lot of work for the Sage Developers.

A large part of the good experience, in my opinion, is due to the user community contributing so much in terms of creating plugins, STVs etc and making SageTV so flexible.

I hope that future upgrades are free, unless there is a sea of change introduced. This may also be a good time to start bumping up that feature request thread for future releases.

[gplasky]

Let's try to put this in some perspective too. For instance Adobe has a new version of Adobe Photoshop Elements ver 5.
Cost=$89.00
Upgrade cost=$69.00

Let's stop the whining.

Gerry

[rickgillyon]

Originally Posted by naln

I hope that future upgrades are free, unless there is a sea of change introduced.

Once this upgrade path is established, you can bet it will stay. Point upgrades free, unit upgrades paid. I only bought a year ago, if it's $30 per year I have no problem with that.

Again, if you feel v7 isn't worth it, you will be able to ignore it!

[MeInMaui]

I have just a quick observation here. There seem to be two things at play.

1. We have all been spoiled by getting free updates for such a long time. Now that there is a small fee associated with this upgrade, the reaction/perception is that something has been taken from us.

2. Those that purchased just before the V5 cutoff feel slighted. However this is inevitable. If Sage decided to make all users buy an upgrade key, then those who just purchased within the last few weeks would be the ones complaining. If Sage had chosen to make the cutoff at V4, then those who purchased a few seeks before V4 came out would be complaining. This probably all stems from observation 1 above.

We have all happily settled into an 'entitlement' mentality (and not just regarding sage). Unfortunately I don't see any way to fix that without a major shift in priorities. Ok this is getting too philosophical, so I think I'll stop now before I alienate the entire community.

Mike

[Kirby]

And it seems like many have forgotten the fact that the Placeshifter and Client licenses were upgraded for FREE! Sage could have just as easily put a fee on those as well but didnt.

[rickgillyon]

I remember contacting Support before buying v2.2.8, saying I was scared of buying because there was a v3 beta out, would I be stung. I couldn't believe it when they said there would be no charge for a v3 upgrade, I think I asked for clarification.

[naln]

Originally Posted by Kirby

And it seems like many have forgotten the fact that the Placeshifter and Client licenses were upgraded for FREE! Sage could have just as easily put a fee on those as well but didnt.

This is very true!

[heffe2001]

Originally Posted by gplasky

And let's not kid ourselves. What you're going to get is Vista Home Basic. Just enough to make you upgrade.

Gerry

Well, that all depends on what level XP you get with the system. If you buy it with XP Pro, you get Vista Business, if you get plain old XP Home, you'll get Vista Home Basic, if you got MCE2005 (most of our laptops have this), you'll get Vista Home Premium.

Microsoft did this back when XP 64 came out, if you had a Pro XP license, you could trade it in on a free upgrade to XP 64.

My point is, Microsoft does the same thing when newer/better versions come out, offer the people who just bought systems right before the upgrade free, everybody else pays(actually its more the hardware vendor doing this, if you buy a XP Pro pack the day before you are SOL for upgrades) , so why should Sage be any different?

[rickgillyon]

Originally Posted by heffe2001

actually its more the hardware vendor doing this, if you buy a XP Pro pack the day before you are SOL for upgrades) , so why should Sage be any different?

Asked and answered.

[jbuszkie]

Just for fun I posted a poll to see what people think!

Vote Here

[lotusvball]

Originally Posted by Cabalsan

IMHO, the change log from v5 to v6 does NOT justify the cost.

There is no cost for an upgrade from v5 to v6 only pre v5 to v6 which is sort of like 1.3 to v3. Please read the policy correctly.