Hauppauge's Irremote application ignoring [Default] app settings?!

[mkanet]

I'm hoping somebody can help... Several weeks ago, my Hauppauge IR.exe application started ignoring commands defined in the [Default] section of irremote.ini

This is a big problem for me since that's how I start SageTV. the greenpower button is supposed to start sagetv no matter what I'm doing in windows. Anyway, none of the commands work in [Default]

This even happens with the brand new irremote.ini that gets created after installing IR.exe.

What can cause IR.exe to ignore settings defined in [Default], but not with specificialy defined apps which are in focus? This all used to work about a month ago.

Thanks!

[Opus4]

The default section it uses is the first one listed in the [Applications] section. Make sure Default= is the first line there.

Then, the default section is used if a command is not defined in the currently active section, either due to an app that has focus or use of the mode(app) command to force some section to be used.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

- Andy

[mkanet]

Hi Andy, here's some more information..

*IF* I manually start SageTV with the mouse for the first time after windows boots up, I can use the settings in the [default] section correctly. Even if I exit sageTV completely, I can start it back up again with the hauppauge remote.

However... I *have* to start SageTV without the remote before I can start controlling it with the remote (hopefully that makes sense)

What could cause ir.exe to require the manaual start of SageTV the first time? It's like it needs a little bit of help to get things started.

[Opus4]

The settings in the ini file are probably causing it -- the use of the mode() command, most likely.

If you post it, I'll try to take a look at it later tonight.

- Andy

[mkanet]

Thanks andy, I don't think the problem is as simple as it may seem... for example, something as basic as BACK={alt}{f4} does NOT work in the [Default] section.

Just to be clear, irremote.ini [default] section has always worked for me in the past. I haven't made any changes to it when that part of it stopped working.

For testing purposes, I even went to the extent of closing all apps in memory that I could except for IR.exe. I dont understand how ONLY things specified in the [default] apps section do not work. Even, if I use the generic irremote.ini which gets created after reinstalling the IR app.


Maybe there's another app which is trying to keep track of system hotkeys that's interfering with IR.exe?? If it is, I sure as heck can't figure out what's interfering with it.

Anyway, I've attached my irremote.ini

Thanks so much for taking a look at it!
-Michael

[Opus4]

Did you restart ir.exe after changing the ini file?

When you reverted back to the default ini, did it still manage to control SageTV somehow? I'm asking because it almost sounds like you are using a different ini file with SageTV= as the first line in the Applications section.

If you change the 'MenuLoad=1' line at the top to 'MenuLoad=0', then restart ir.exe, what options are included in the pop-up menu when you right click on the IR icon in the system tray?

This is probably a long shot, but double check that you are really using irremote.ini in the Windows directory; if dual booting, check which Windows dir you are using.

- Andy

[wbarber69]

did you try turning your remote to 90 degrees from your normal remote pointing direction, every now and then for some unknown reason (ghosts) my hauppauge ir receiver just won't pick up direct commands pointed directly at it, I even tried changing recievers switching cards and moving the receiver all over my room, but for one week every now and then I have to point my remote away from the sage tv box (again probably ghosts)

[mkanet]

Originally Posted by Opus4

Did you restart ir.exe after changing the ini file?

Yes, I restart the IR app every time I make a change in the ini file.

Originally Posted by Opus4

When you reverted back to the default ini, did it still manage to control SageTV somehow? I'm asking because it almost sounds like you are using a different ini file with SageTV= as the first line in the Applications section.

With a brand new ini file, sageTV can't be controlled at all; even when in focus.

Originally Posted by Opus4

If you change the 'MenuLoad=1' line at the top to 'MenuLoad=0', then restart ir.exe, what options are included in the pop-up menu when you right click on the IR icon in the system tray?

With the value for MenuLoad set to 0 or 1 the popup menu for the IR tray icon is always the same... only two options.. "Close Menu" and "Exit IR". I could have sworn I had more options there.

Originally Posted by Opus4

This is probably a long shot, but double check that you are really using irremote.ini in the Windows directory; if dual booting, check which Windows dir you are using.

There are no other irremote.ini's on my file system. I wonder what is causing ONLY the [Default] section to be ignored. It may be possible that something at the OS system level is interfering with that part of IR.exe. The problem is even when I close all apps, I still see this behavior.

If there's no more suggestions on what the problem might be, I'll try running hauppauge HWClear app and reinstall the driver and IR.exe clean.

wbarber69, I tried pointing the remote sideways, upsidedown... nothing. Thanks though!

[mkanet]

Very unusual, yet consistent behavior! I'll give you guys the hints. Maybe one of you is smart enough to put the pieces of the puzzle together:

Hint #1: [Default] Settings are ignored when Windows first boots up; loading ir.exe upon startup. In fact, i think all remote buttons are ignored.

Hint #2: IF I maximize SageTV out from it's sleep mode (from system tray icon), all of a suddon the remote works perfectly; and, in fact, the [default] settings work after that.

Hint #3: Even if I exit sagetv.exe out of memory, as long as IR.exe still there, it will continue to work until i restart ir.exe

There's gotta be something in sageTV which is seemingly conflicting with the ir.exe I already checked in the SageTV config and it says it's not using the hauppauge 45 buttons support or anything else.

Anyway, this is 100% reproducable on my setup. I wish i knew where to look.

[Opus4]

SageTV doesn't interact directly with the Hauppuage IR receiver, but... are you using the IR receiver that is part of the tuner, or is this Hauppauge's version of the USB MCE remote? Even if it isn't, do you also have a USB MCE receiver connected to this PC?

- Andy

[mkanet]

All I am using is the built-in IR receiver of my Hauppauge USB PVR2 combined with the new silver 45 button Hauppauge remote. I don't have anything related to MCE.

However... on my USB-UIRT, I have an IR receiver thats not being used.

Is it possible to use the IR receiver of the UIRT with something like Girder WHILE having sageTV still use the USB UIRT's IR blaster for channel changing? If I can't do that, could I buy a second USB UIRT and have it coexist with the one I have without any issues? I'm starting to give up on the idea of using IR.exe successfully since I cant track down the problem.

PS: Running Hauppauge sofware/driver cleaning program and installing the driver/IR.exe cleanly didnt make any difference either.

[Opus4]

I thought it was going to be the mode() command, but that doesn't fit at all with some of the things you described. I can't think of anything else at the moment. If it doesn't even work when you replace irremote.ini with the original/default version from Hauppauge & restart ir.exe, then you could contact Hauppuage to see what they have to say.

You could try renaming Win32ShellHook.dll in the SageTV dir & restarting SageTV, but I don't know why this would make any difference if you aren't using an MCE remote... unless you added an MCE keyboard & there is some problem between all those put together.

You could probably use the USB-UIRT like that, but someone else will have to make comments on that.

- Andy