Upgrade 2.2 to 4.1.3

[ctgoodman]

I'm running 2.2 now and contemplating an in place upgrade to 4.1.3. Has anyone done this far of a jump. Is there any gotchas I should look out for?

[MilkmanCDN]

I have recently performed the v2.2.8 to v4.1.3 jump (mostly for the built in MVP support) and I'm a little disappointed with the results.

I had v2.2.8 running (Client/Server mode) with Cayars STV on a Win2K machine for about 8 months with NO problems. Since upgrading to v4.1 I've had nothing but problems. They range from the occasional crash, to sluggish response on the client (require a reboot of the server), to recorded shows (MPEG2) that are corrupted and won't play, etc. I've managed to work out most of the kinks; but, it's taken a toll on my free time and the WAF hasn't been the greatest lately.

I am now running v4.1.6 beta and it has been pretty stable for the last couple of days; but, in retrospect, I wish I had waited another month or two before performing the switch. At least until Sage worked all the bugs out of v4.1.

Also, if you're using Cayars's STV, you won't be able to carry that over to v4.1. I've found that the Meekel STV is a good substitute; however, it's still a little rough around the edges.

Hope that helps.

[carlgar]

I went from 1.4 to 4.1.3 with no problems.

[MrApollinax]

4.1.3 had some issues with the DGL series routers from D-Link. If you are using any of those routers i STRONGLY recommend installing 4.1.6

[Opus4]

The biggest thing I suggest is to make backup copies of any important data in the current installation location... and the easiest way to do that would be to just make a complete backup copy of the entire directory tree where SageTV is installed.

You shouldn't have to uninstall the old version first, but always double check that the new version's install location is the same as the old one so that it will continue to use your previous wiz.bin.

And, I also suggest going to v4.1.6 because it has some important fixes.

- Andy

[CB_2005]

I ran 2.2 for a while without any problems. My wife and I loved it. Ever since the upgrade to 4.1.3, we've been very unhappy. It drove me to start looking at over PVR software. Personally, I don't see how it ever passed QC. I hear the latest beta has fixed a lot of problems and people seem to be pretty happy with it. I'm still gun shy tho. With Sage, I'm thinking it's important to adopt the 'If it's not broke, don't fix it' posture.

If you do upgrade, make sure you back up everything first.... 'just in case'.

[Opus4]

Did you ever try contacting tech support with the problems you mentioned in your older threads? Most people don't seem to have the problems you mentioned, so if you don't follow through with them to see what is going on & there happens to be something particular to your type of setup that they could fix, it may never get changed if they don't know about it.

- Andy

[xxilikedirtxx]

no probs here

[ctgoodman]

I've done the upgrade and now its asking for registration info??? I've tried the one from Sage 2.0 that I originally started with but it won't take it.

[Opus4]

It is asking you to re-enter your license key & doesn't accept it? What does it say on the screen?

I don't know why it wouldn't accept your previous registration. Normally, the registration is just kept on the PC & when you install the update, it automatically recognizes the previous license. The only thing I can suggest is to send an email to SageTV w/your registration info to see what they can come up with.

- Andy

[mightyt]

I've had tons of problems after going to fresh installs of 4.x ... both 4.0 (over XP MCE) and 4.13 (over XP Pro) ... No one here has been able to help solve my problems and I did work with tech support, but that didn't help either. Everyone here tells me I have hardware issues, but reading this thread and now thinking about it before 4.0 I had just completed a fresh inatll of 2.28 (over XP Pro) and don't remember all these problems. I also don't have any issues outside of Sage?? I gave 2.28 up just to get Studio ... Hmmm .... I have to admit I too have been discuoraged to the point of considering other PVR options. In the mean time I keep trying to fix it ...

T.

[glbrown]

Originally Posted by mightyt

I've had tons of problems...

This scares me as I know mightyt has been around awhile. I have about 2 years invested in my 2.2.8 wiz.bin file. The thousands of watched shows and countless thousands of IR data elements are seemingly irreplaceable. I am so happy that I don't have to spend time in any epg, Sage is so smart about who I am. I think this is one of the very few apps I have ever used that I couldn't get my personal data out of in some form or fashion. Oh well...

Besides, sage runs like an appliance now and I find it very hard to justify the possibility of going back into beta mode and loosing my wiz is not an option. I know I could easily restore my current system after a week or two but I can't bring myself to even start, it runs that well so why bother?

Kinda a cheers and jeers thing. Cheers to the sage people as they created one hell of a lifestyle change for me. Jeers to sage people for locking up my personal data as though they own it.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this app and the dedicated people who wrote it. I'm just a bit frightened to attempt an upgrade.

with all due respect -gary-

[mightyt]

Originally Posted by glbrown

This scares me

It is a bit scary ... After my expecience with 4.0, I installed Ghost with 4.1.3 and have 8 images; from the base OS to the Default Install of Sage to the completed Sage with plugins and customizations. And I am glad I did ... Several times I've had to use it. There were even times where Sage locked up and put my back to to the Default STV and removed my customizations.

So far I have been very dedicated to making this work ... I may give it one last shot at 4.16 to see if it becomes more stable ...

But, you are correct ... save your stuff ... For the sake of getting it to work I even resided to a fresh install and gave up everthing in my DB 2.0.1.0 to go to 2.2.8 and the same to go to 4.x.

Hopefully it will all come together soon ...

EDIT
Just upgraded to 4.1.6 and lockups still exist when recording ...

[ToonGal]

Originally Posted by glbrown

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this app and the dedicated people who wrote it. I'm just a bit frightened to attempt an upgrade.

Great post. I see some who swear by v4.x, but see enough horror stories to keep me 'trapped' at v2.2.8, Cayars, webserver, and MVP. HAPPILY trapped. Over two years here too, and the exact same concerns. Ain't broke; won't fix it.

Equally happy that developers like Nielm are still keeping backward compatible w/ v2.2.8, because I don't see my upgrading ANY time soon. Status quo ok enough, as long as it works.

Agree also that I don't get the need to 'close' the internal data, either. Oh well. Can stay here for now, and when my fellow v2.x holdouts successfully upgrade, I'll consider it too.

[ctgoodman]

I just did a rollback on my install back to 2.2. I deleted the 4.1 dir and the Frey Technologies registry tree. I then imported my origianl reg backup and renamed my backup 2.2 folder to its original name. I placed my original irremote.ini and everything fired back up. Took about 5 minutes to bring it back. I think I'm staying here too for a while.

[Fluffdaddy]

I guess some of as are beta tester types an don't mind messing around and others like to stay with whats been working for them .
I Been upgrading to the newest Version with-in days of its release since 03.

Been a "mostly" happy sage user since Version 1.4.10

[mightyt]

Originally Posted by Fluffdaddy

I guess some of as are beta tester types an don't mind messing around and others like to stay with whats been working for them .
I Been upgrading to the newest Version with-in days of its release since 03.

Been a "mostly" happy sage user since Version 1.4.10

I like to do the same ... problem is this one caught me by surprise and now my fam has no Sage at all ...

That means I'm in the dog house until I get this working ...

[Fluffdaddy]

Originally Posted by mightyt

EDIT
Just upgraded to 4.1.6 and lockups still exist when recording ...

Have you looked at hardware problem ? I was having randem lockups days after I moved up to 4.0. I conviced myself it was a software problem, but everyone here had 4.0 working great for them. I was at my wits-end, it turned out my MB master IDE just pick the time of my upgrade to 4.0 to start
acting out, causeing lock-ups. New MB and 4.0 was lockup free.

look at hardware also. you never know

[ctgoodman]

I can live with an accasional hiccup or an odd quirk. But my problem is the dog house issue too. The straw that broke the camels back was my wife's show last night. It would just stop in the middle of the show as if it where paused and you have to go back to the guide and select another channel and then change it back to get going again. I was so looking forward to getting DVD recording working with one of the new stv's and the new features in 4.1 seem really nice but I'll just have to wait. I did figure out the registration issue. I was cutting and pasting from a txt file and I origianally keyed it wrong in there.

[mightyt]

Originally Posted by Fluffdaddy

Have you looked at hardware problem ?

Thanks ... Actually, I have been considering that ... first I thought it was a sound blaster card, then a USB2 PVR, then HD ... I have thought of replacing the Mobo ... but envision being ticked off should I lay out the money, tear the system completely apart to replace it, mess with the software (mobo drivers) and then find out it still locks up.

Before I do that, I need to exahust the SW possibilities. Like I said, it's stable outside of Sage and with Sage until I record.

Before I went to 4.1.6, I even went back to the default 4.1.3 Sage install (no changes or customizations) and even that failed. If I can install and run 2.2.8 with 4.1.6 installed (they are installed in two different directories) then maybe I can test if it works fine with 2.2.8 again. If so, then I can save the cost and time on HW ... If not, well then I deserve it for letting Frey's sell me an ECS Motherboard bundled with my 3GHz P4 ...

Boy I wish this just worked ...

Think maybe I should have stuck with my ol' 1.8 P4 box with Sage 2.0.10