Intelligent Duplication in 4.0

Juncti · #1 11-17-2005, 07:06 PM

I've been having this problem ever since upgrading to the new Sage version. After upgrading, all IR recordings that have multiple showings are recording each showing. I've wound up with as many as 6 of the same episode which is killing HD space. This is really taking it's toll because a lot of IR recordings are on channels that repeat (Discovery, TBS, TLC). Channels like this tend to show a show once and repeat it about 4 hours later. If IR decides to record one of these repeating shows, it records both instances of the same episode on the same day. And other channels like Spike TV that might show it once a day for a week straight it will record every airing of that IR program. This didn't happen when I was still using the old version 2.2

Strangely enough, this doesn't happen to favorites.

Anyone have an idea on what I can do about this?

sfisher · #2 11-17-2005, 07:13 PM

Just guessing, but there is a custom setting "Detect repeat airings with non-unique IDs" that might have something to do with it...

Juncti · #3 11-17-2005, 07:29 PM

I haven't seen that before. Is it new to this version? I just went and looked in there and found it. I've turned it on. Hopefully that will take care of the problem.

Thanks a bunch

sfisher · #4 11-17-2005, 07:46 PM

Don't know if this is new for V4 or not, but V4 is the first time I noticed it. of course, in V2 it could have been buried in the properties file and I would have missed it. I never used V3 as it was always a Beta.

The manual description sounds like this should at least help... post a reply back here once you can tell if it helped or not.

-Steve

Opus4 · #5 11-17-2005, 09:39 PM

Yes, that was a change for v4. Previously, when shows had generic IDs (SH prefix), SageTV tried to determine whether they were the same episode or not & sometimes it made a mistake doing this. So, the new default is to really treat all of them as different episodes. Changing that option makes it work as in previous versions.

- Andy

silkshadow · #6 11-17-2005, 11:21 PM

I'm sorry to go off topic here, but I have a question about that new setting and, since its under discussion here, its probably easier than starting a new thread. How does it handle shows that have no epg info besides the name of the show? In 2.28, I would have to mark shows like that "not watched" because if I marked them watched, they would not record again. Does this feature fix that? Thanks!

Opus4 · #7 11-18-2005, 01:16 AM

I think it is going to depend on what type of show ID those airings have -- whether they have some sort of generic SH-prefixed ID or have some other prefix that SageTV doesn't consider to be generic for a series.

- Andy

kricker · #8 11-18-2005, 11:06 PM

I have "Detect repeat airings with non-unique IDs" turned "on" yet I still end up with many duplicate shows. Way more then vs 2 or 3 ever gave me. I usually end up with 3 recordings of the same episode of "The Daily Show".

silkshadow · #9 11-19-2005, 01:33 AM

Thanks Opus! I see, so this feature doesn't have any impact on the show IDs at all? Actually, that was what I was asking but couldn't get it out right. Been doing alot of writing and my mind was stuck in the wrong mode.

Soulive · #10 11-28-2005, 10:16 AM

Is there a property that controls this behavior? I can't seem to find any likeness in sage.properties.

Opus4 · #11 11-28-2005, 11:24 AM

Yes, and it is controlled by the option mentioned in post #2 of this thread. That option is found in Detailed Setup -> Customize; scroll down to see it.

- Andy

Soulive · #12 11-28-2005, 01:42 PM

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I am using SageMC and that option isn't exposed yet. Wondering if there is a line in sage.properties that I can turn this option on/off.

Thanks!

Opus4 · #13 11-28-2005, 02:27 PM

I didn't mention it because the STV sets the epg/advanced_show_redundancy_check property in 2 places: in the properties file for the server + in the client UI properties file. So, it is probably easiest to just use the STV, set it, then switch back to another STV.

- Andy

abbott_m · #14 11-28-2005, 03:15 PM

I've got the show redundancy set to true but I still get the duplicates. It seems as if I only get these dupes on things like discovery and science channel. any ideas on where to look next?

I've got one show called "When dinosours ruled china" on science channel that's going to duplicate. In the web interface I can see the following for the first showing:

Show ID: SH3696050000

Internal AiringID=1337579

The second showing has:

Show ID: SH3696050000

Internal AiringID=1337580

Opus4 · #15 11-28-2005, 03:30 PM

The 'normal' action is to treat all SH based ShowID airings as different. When that property is set to true, some such airings are treated as the same show, but not all of them are. I don't know anything about the underlying code that makes this determination.

- Andy

Juncti · #16 12-02-2005, 06:09 PM

Been busy trying to stay employed in the aftermath of the hurricane. Just an update on this. The setting has greatly decreased the frequency with which duplications have happened. This combined with the advanced negative profiling in IR has greatly cleared out the clutter in the recording schedule.

I'm still running into some duplications on occasion, just far fewer which makes it much easier to manage. The oddest one happened last night however. Sage recorded the Apprentice twice at the same time. It apparently aired on it's normal channel, but also a duplicate of that channel that is likely still on the air from when they were doing emergency broadcasts on that easier to receive channel. So it recorded the exact same show, with the exact same ID and description at the same time. 8pm-9pm. In doing so it bumped CSI out of the recording schedule. Even odder, after watching one copy of the recorded Apprentice shows, it marked both watched. Anyone ever had that happen before? Just weird.

Overall though 4.0 has been a great upgrade.

kricker · #17 12-03-2005, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juncti

...Even odder, after watching one copy of the recorded Apprentice shows, it marked both watched. Anyone ever had that happen before? Just weird.

Overall though 4.0 has been a great upgrade.

I still get a lot of repeats that behave just like you describe. This was not so prevalent with the 3X betas or 2X. My biggest offenders are things like "the Daily Show", "the Colbert Report", "South Park" and a few others I can't think of now.

Gaurav · #18 12-08-2005, 06:56 AM

I have "Detect repeat airings with non-unique IDs" set to yes but i don't think it matters in this case.

I have the movie "Daredevil" manually recorded and archived.
Last night i was surprised to see Sage (intelligently) recording it again.
(Guess i must really really like it!)

Now i have two files - one archived and one not archived.
As expected, the two files have different showids - MV1537130000 and MV1313840000.

This is the first time i have seen this behaviour in almost two years of usage.

Questions-
1. Is this expected behaviour ?
2. Is this fixable ?
3. Why were the showids different ?

Lucas · #19 12-08-2005, 07:10 AM

I noticed this as well. It changed with V3/4....

I manage it by reviewing the future recordings list and 'set watched' the ones that I don't want.

Opus4 · #20 12-08-2005, 11:25 AM

This has nothing to do with SageTV changing versions; it has to do with the EPG data provider assigning different ShowIDs -- if you go to zap2it.com, you will see the ID listed as part of the URL for each show in the listings grid. (As part of the URL, there will be a "&dbkey=<some show id>".) I have no idea why they are assigning new IDs to some of the same movies -- maybe they have slightly modified the tv version? I wonder if the above-referenced movies are different.

- Andy

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