Went back to 3.0.11 because of view/delete menu changes...

[Steve2112]

I really hate the new way the menus for viewing and deleting are set up - if this is the way the final product will be, I will probably stay on the 3.0.11 beta version if I don't find any show stopping bugs.

I know I will eventually have to upgrade, but I am going to put it off as long as possible.

Please develolpment team, consider keeping things closer to the menu structure that has been around up until RC13.... please!

[Wheemer]

I think the change is rediculous as well... I don't understand why changes are made that are not asked for and offer absolutely no improvements.

People continually complained about the UI before this, now they have even more reason to annouce Sage's UI as being counter-intuative.

[insomniac]

havent rolled back, but i sure hate the ui changes. Sigh...why this would not be an option kills me..

[Deadbolt]

no kidding...the old way was so much better. I hope someone can fix this with an import package (so we can still use STVs like Malore).

[insomniac]

Im sure that this additional functionality was a good amount of work, with all the best intentions to increase the PVR appeal, usage, options, etc. Lets face it, the people of sage dont sit down and say, "Lets figure out how to piss off our loyal user base".

IMO, this would of been a most excellent and appreciated option to be able to choose from. Not something that we are stuck with, like it or not.

Im sure that the person that went through the hard work to add these type options might not appreciate being bashed, and that is definately not my (or others) intent at all. There is just really no other way to express dissatisfaction for changes that you do not like...

Your mileage may vary..

I.

[DFA]

I did not want to be the first to state that the King is wearing no clothes.

Glad I am not the only one that found it objectionable. I immediately began weeding through "sage.properties" looking for a switch thinking that surely this was not a fixed UI "feature". Wife has already weighed in with unquotable comments.

DFA

[Steve2112]

I sent a PM to Dan pointing him to this thread - hopefully it can be made an option.

[blade]

Well I'll be the first one to say I actually like the change. I didn't really like them at first but now I find them useful.

You guys do realize that if you hit play instead of select that the show starts just like always and bypasses the new menus?

Also if you press the delete button instead of selecting delete from the menu the show deletes with the same old yes or no choice just like before, whether you do it while watching the show or from the list of recordings.

Basically if you use the play and delete button for what they were designed for (I used to use the select button for play as well) then everything functions as it used to. Select just gives you easier access to the options that used to be buried a little deeper such as setting watched status and other options.

I know some people will never like the change. I just wanted to point out that you can still have the same functionality as before you just have to hit a different button that should be just as intuitive (play instead of select). Of course I realize there may be situations where people don't have enough buttons on the remote or are using a mouse where this might not be possible.

[michelkenny]

The new change was a bit weird at first, but now that I am getting used to it it isn't that bad. Like someone else mentioned, there are always a few tricks to get it to behave like it did before if you really can't stand the new menus. I think the main problem is change: people have been used to the old way for so long that changing it makes it seem totally weird. I think the new way is more intuitive in the PVR sense: you push 'select' for a menu, and you can still just push 'play' to actually play it, etc.

[Goodspike]

I didn't care for the changes at first, but even using a mouse only type setup, I don't find it that bad now.

Even the delete thing isn't that bad. It basically gives four choices now rather than a confirmation box. Not really a big difference, even though I doubt I'll ever use the 2 of the 4 options.

I would like more customization of menus built in, however.

[insomniac]

Originally Posted by DFA

Wife has already weighed in with unquotable comments.

DFA

lol...yeah, going down this road as well

[DFA]

Blade:

Actually, I was not aware of the "shortcuts" around these popups. Thanks for the schoolin'.

It does make some sense in that context but a bit late in the day for some of us old dogs that have trouble with learning new tricks. Almost like rearranging a keyboard that makes more sense and is for the better: it does not matter if you are already trained for QWERTY.

I have not set up a direct delete command on my MX-700 so will need to see about that. I'll withold further judgement until we have a chance to see if our fingers can be retrained. Obviously, this is not as bad as relearning an entire KB!

DFA

[insomniac]

to me, its more simple than that even. Why in the heck would i want to take my fingers off the main navigation buttons, (left,right,up,down,select) which are all conveniently clumped together, to squint my eyes while viewing back at my remote (in my nice, dimly lit front room) to find the 'play' key?

If your answer was , "You wouldnt". You are correct!

[Crashless]

FWIW, you guys could easily copy the STV from the version you like out of the STV directory, install the new version, then copy it back. You wouldn't get the new STV features, but you'd get the new core features and bug fixes.

Don't go submitting bug reports though without testing the newest STV first though.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by DFA

Almost like rearranging a keyboard that makes more sense and is for the better: it does not matter if you are already trained for QWERTY.

Actually, the QWERTY layout was purposely designed to be inefficient. Older typebar typewriters could not handle the speed at which people could type with an efficient keyboard layout. This probably has nothing to do with the new Sage menu layout though.

[DFA]

Blue:

I hope not!

Anyway, I do see the pros for the new structure but appreciate the cons as well (I think I am in the con-camp). Frey just simply should have provided a toggle so that we can have it both ways and everybody should be content. I'm surprised they did not for something this controversial.

As far as plugging in earlier STV's, sort of a stop-gap solution. Wait and see for me.

EDIT: On MX-700, fortunately, play key is directly below and centered with navigation/select multi-key and would not require any looking or large movement of finger so is not all that bad in my case but surely different scenarios for others. On the other hand, for the MX-700, the addition of a direct delete key would end up in the upper LCD-labled keys which are not relatively all that convenient and usually require a look.

DFA

[blade]

No problem DFA, I didn't know about it until I checked this morning after reading this thread.

It's easy to use the play button on my MCE remote as well. It's the biggest key on the remote and it's directly above the navigation buttons. It does take some time to get used to, I still hit select out of habit sometimes.

[ToxMox]

Originally Posted by DFA

I have not set up a direct delete command on my MX-700 so will need to see about that. I'll withold further judgement until we have a chance to see if our fingers can be retrained. Obviously, this is not as bad as relearning an entire KB!
DFA

On my MX-700 I use the bottom left most button for delete. The one to the left of the zero.

[DFA]

Thanks for the hint ToxMox. That would be the "+10" key. Useless in my system for anything as is and not as bad a reach as any of the LCD-labled keys me thinks.

DFA

[aperry]

Put in another vote in favor of the new interface. I was a bit taken aback by it at first, but I love it now! And a BIG improvement in WAF!!!

PLEASE do not take this interface away. At the worst, please make the two interfaces selectable as options.