VMR9 - Is this "Tearing"?

InsertHere · #1 02-28-2005, 05:28 PM

I keep reading about VMR9 Tearing, but can't really tell if that is what I am experiencing...

When using VMR9 everything is beautiful - for about an hour. After that I start seeing the picture jump a little. Jump may be a weak description though. It's most obvious when you see a person on the screen move quickly and it looks as though there are 3 of them until they stop moving. Do this: get drunk out of your head and then watch TV. That's what it looks like.

When that happens I go into the Setup options and select "Reload Media Player", and everything is perfect again for about 45 minutes. Reload again and it's fine again. This seems to be able to continue indefinitely.

Doesn't happen with Overlay, but I prefer the quality of VMR9.

Is that Tearing?

Thank you in advance.

stanger89 · #2 02-28-2005, 05:32 PM

No, tearing is where the top of the picture stops lining up with the bottom, like somebody "tore" the picture in two.

What you have sounds more like a deinterlacing problem. Do a search for VMR9 and studder or deinterlacing.

Wheemer · #3 02-28-2005, 05:53 PM

Try to see if the problem goes away and comes back with use of the ff/rw buttons... If so it sounds like the quartz.dll bug: http://forums.freytechnologies.com/f...ead.php?t=8831

InsertHere · #4 02-28-2005, 06:02 PM

I will try that tonight.

One question: I thought I read that the quartz prob is fixed in recent versions of Sage (?). I am running 2.2.5. Is there still a chance that problem exists?

Wheemer · #5 02-28-2005, 06:37 PM

I recently rebuilt my machine, installing with Windows XP SP2 cd, I used the latest version of Nvidia DVD decoder and installed Sage version 2.2.6. I also downloaded and installed all the updates available from the Windows update page.

I can confirm that the problem is still present. I had to redo the quartz.dll swap and again I was up and running without this issue.

I gad heard the rumours of the fix in Sage too, however, unfortunately they are not true. Bedsides, this is a windows file, so I would think Microsoft has to issue the fix themselves. FWIW, I also tried downloading the february release of the Directx 9.0c update and installed it as a test. The weird thing is this newer update contains the fixed quartz.dll file in it, however after installation I noted that it did not replace my existing version with this version...

This whole thing is pretty stupid if you ask me... However I guess since MCE doesn't suffer from this bug, why the hell should microsoft care about it's competition...

InsertHere · #6 02-28-2005, 06:42 PM

Interesting... I am running MCE '05 and still having this prob. Not using any of the TV or Media features though, haven't even configured the MCE interface.

I know, I know.. why run MCE then? Couldn't tell you. Just wanted to check it out.

I'll replace the quartz file tonight and report back. Thanks!

DFranch · #7 02-28-2005, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheemer

I recently rebuilt my machine, installing with Windows XP SP2 cd, I used the latest version of Nvidia DVD decoder and installed Sage version 2.2.6. I also downloaded and installed all the updates available from the Windows update page.

I recently reinstalled sage onto a clean install of Win XP SP2 and I think I am having the same issue with VMR9. If the camera pans from side to side the video seems to studder like crazy. Other times it seems ok, but it has serious problems with fast motions. Will The Quartz.dll fix this, or is this a different problem? I would like to use VMR9 as I can perfectly size the video to fit my screen.

Wheemer · #8 02-28-2005, 09:07 PM

It it rather easy to tell if you are suffering from the bogus quartz.dll problem: ff/rw back and forth a few times and the video playback sort of break into a state that looks really messed up, as in not deinterlacing properly. A few more ff/rw can usually bring it back to normal.

So I would say by the sounds of you desciption it would seem you are suffering from something else... However if you want to give it a try, there is no harm... Just make a backup of your current quartz.dll before overwitting it with the version from the above mentioned thread.

DFranch · #9 02-28-2005, 10:39 PM

No, the behavior I was describing does not happen when I FF/RW. and certain shows are much worse than others. Shows with fast action like Alias or 24 are not good, and my wife was watching the Oscars last night and it was absolutely horrible. I had to switch back to overlay for her. I may give it a try anyway just to see what if does.

Wheemer · #10 02-28-2005, 10:42 PM

Have you turn off prefiltering for your hauppauge cards?

You can find how to here: http://www.cask-of-amontillado.com/pvr_reg.html

I had to turn it off for my PVR-250, it cause weird motion bluring...

Also, what decoder are you using?

DFranch · #11 03-01-2005, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheemer

Have you turn off prefiltering for your hauppauge cards?

You can find how to here: http://www.cask-of-amontillado.com/pvr_reg.html

I had to turn it off for my PVR-250, it cause weird motion bluring...

Also, what decoder are you using?

Nvidia 4. I'll give that a try too. I never heard of that problem.

Wheemer · #12 03-01-2005, 01:59 PM

You might also want to give the newer Nvidia DVD decoder a try...

DFranch · #13 03-01-2005, 02:20 PM

Wheemer:

I was so wrong. I had not picked up the pattern. I thought some shows were ok on VMR9 and others were just not good. It turns out that it was acting up after a FF, and sometimes FF and RW again would eventually fix it. I guess I was just switching back to overlay too quickly to notice the pattern. I tried the quartz.dll file and so far so good. It would be great it that were the problem. Thanks for all of the help.

InsertHere · #14 03-01-2005, 02:34 PM

What was the date stamp of the quartz.dll file you replaced? My currently running one shows as 8/31/2004, and the one I downloaded from the forums is something like 5/xx/2003.

I am having the same problem, but haven't been able to tell if a ff/rw fixes it every time.

Guess I am just not used to replacing a DLL file with an older version in order to fix something. Is that what you did?

Wheemer · #15 03-01-2005, 02:51 PM

Yeah, I use that one from 2003 aswell... FWIW I just downloaded the February Directx 9.0c update from microsoft, and inside the archive there is the same old version of quartz.dll.

DFranch · #16 03-01-2005, 03:38 PM

Did anybody notice that the blue Win XP taskbar changed to grey and looks more like the classic taskbar after replacing it. It still works and that is all that matters. I was just wondering if it happened to anybody else.

Wheemer · #17 03-01-2005, 04:13 PM

That's rather strange... it did not do that to me. You can change that via the Display Properties, Appearance tab, Windows and Buttons pulldown. Maybe yours change for some other reason?

DFranch · #18 03-01-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheemer

That's rather strange... it did not do that to me. You can change that via the Display Properties, Appearance tab, Windows and Buttons pulldown. Maybe yours change for some other reason?

I tried changing to classic view then back to regular view and it did not change. I'm not too worried about it. Sage is up all of the time anyway. It is weird though.

InsertHere · #19 03-09-2005, 12:29 AM

Replaced quartz.dll with version from the forums, still having the same problem when using VMR9. FF/RW never seem to do anything either. Only thing that does is to Reload Media Player from Setup options. That gets the video back to normal for 30 - 40 more minutes. Stuck with Overlay for now I guess.

Can anyone get VMR9 to work? Seems like I read more problems than successes with it...

DFranch · #20 03-09-2005, 01:21 PM

I has been working fine for about a week now. since I started using the old quartz.dll file.

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