STB Firewire (IEEE-1394) Support - Page 48

KJake · #**941** 01-22-2006, 10:43 PM

Has anyone heard of this working for DTVLink enabled TVs? My new toshiba set has 1394 ports on it and 2 fully integrated QAM/ATSC tuners. You're supposed to use them for the Toshiba recorder, but they're just firewire ports...should be able to do anything with them...

**update**
Well, I got my TV to install as a Digital AV/C Tuner, but wasn't able to do anything with it. VLC didn't play anything and GraphEdit wouldn't let me connect anything to its pins. I tried a different driver and then GraphEdit would continually crash and would not exit no matter how hard I would try.

I think that I'll just have to wait for better AV/C drivers as these really seem to be for STBs (except that the AVSForum did report a MitshiTV working)...maybe I'll go poke around on their forum.

Bohica · #**942** 01-23-2006, 09:37 PM

either your fw ports are not active or they are encrypting... likely the first..

chrismo16 · #**943** 01-24-2006, 09:21 PM

I just followed Spaceghosts pdf and it looks like I've made it past most of the hurdles. I do have a question however.

I set up the SGR in addition to my other source (as most of you did). I can only change channels over firewire for the SGR source's channels. How do I get sage to change the other sources channels?

mangriotis · #**944** 01-25-2006, 08:48 AM

I have what might seem like a dumb question:

What kind of cable are you using to connect the STB to the PC?

The reason I ask is that I am using an Asus A7N8X deluxe MB, which has an add-on module that has both the 4-pin and 6-pin Firwire connector. I only have a 6-pin to 4-pin cable right now (which I can connect from the STB to PC). I am just not sure if I need the 6-pin to 6-pin cable or not...

Is there a difference between the two connections?

evilpenguin · #**945** 01-25-2006, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mangriotis

I have what might seem like a dumb question:

What kind of cable are you using to connect the STB to the PC?

The reason I ask is that I am using an Asus A7N8X deluxe MB, which has an add-on module that has both the 4-pin and 6-pin Firwire connector. I only have a 6-pin to 4-pin cable right now (which I can connect from the STB to PC). I am just not sure if I need the 6-pin to 6-pin cable or not...

Is there a difference between the two connections?

The 4 pin should be just fine as the extra two pins are just for power.

heffe2001 · #**946** 01-25-2006, 09:08 AM

I think I'm using the 6p to 6p cable, and no problems. If it works via 6 to 4, then I'd not worry too much about it.

chrismo16 · #**947** 01-25-2006, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrismo16

I just followed Spaceghosts pdf and it looks like I've made it past most of the hurdles. I do have a question however.

I set up the SGR in addition to my other source (as most of you did). I can only change channels over firewire for the SGR source's channels. How do I get sage to change the other sources channels?

Anyone? Please.

KJake · #**948** 01-26-2006, 02:45 PM

chrismo16, I don't have this working, but this PDF is a little more updated and talks about channel changing...
http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/show...513#post125513

travisbell · #**949** 01-28-2006, 02:41 PM

Haven't been to this thread in a while... what's the verdict now days?

Is Firewire working for everyone? The channel changing I know works reliably, how about recording? Live TV?

Cheers,

Kirby · #**950** 01-29-2006, 07:23 PM

I just completely re-installed my HTPC this weekend, and have firewire working again, but something odd seems to be happening. If I view the guide, and select a channel to tune on my HD channels, it will tune them just fine, no issues. But if I bring up program info for the channel I am on, and click channel up or down, almost always it will only send 2 of the 3 digits for the next channel, which then totally screws everything up because it jumps to an analog channel. Now from reading this entire thread, I understand my DCT6200 should be fine to send analogs over firewire as well, and I have done it with VLC, but never had any success doing so in Sage.

So is the behavior I am experiencing normal? Is there some other setting somewhere I can change, or would it be possible to incorporate something like the MultiTuner program for DCT2000 serial control, where it will try to re-send the channel change if it thinks it didnt work? Or even force a double tuning? Because it wont affect the firewire output stream if it changes a second time to the same channel number (in fact nothing at all happens).

cat6man · #**951** 01-31-2006, 09:04 AM

hi,

another convert to 1394 recording (or hope to be).........

i've hit a couple of problems:

1. installed tuner and panel OK for MOT6200
2. also installed graphedit (build 011008) and sgraphrecorder
3. tried to use VLC player......after refresh, saw MOT tuner and selected it but no video seen at all
4. tried graphedit.......inserted MOT AVC/TUNER Device, then SBDARRecorderDump....when I tried to connect them, I got an error message "filters could not agree on connection" so it would not connect the two.

any ideas?

edit: fixed my own problem.......both of these problems disappeared when i changed channels on the STB.........assume this means it was a 5C issue.

my question now becomes: will i be able to record, via firewire, a 5C channel that i pay for? in the spring, i'll subscribe again to MLB extra
innings to get baseball games.....will the firewire signal give me video if the stb is enabled for those channels?

THIS IS COOL!!! Great work and thanks to all the folks who worked this out.

evilpenguin · #**952** 01-31-2006, 12:03 PM

I started a thread to track down an issue where SageClients are unable to play SGraphrecorded files live after the recorded file size reaches 2 gig.

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15450

If anyone else has a setup capable of testing this (i.e. a server that records HDTV via firewire and a client capable of playing back HDTV) could you please run a test where you start recording/watching an HDTV show on your client and when/if the show stops playing back properly (for me video and audio just start stuttering and i'm unable to fast forward or rewind properly anymore) check the file size of the recording on your server. I suspect that it will be somewhere around ~2,097,152 kilobytes but I really want to veryify that on other peoples machines.

If you do find that you have this issue could you please post your setup in my forum topic with your client/server setup and also sent an email to Sage Support letting them know that other people have this issue also. The Super Bowl is this weekend and I would really love to have it fixed by then

BobPhoenix · #**953** 01-31-2006, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cat6man

my question now becomes: will i be able to record, via firewire, a 5C channel that i pay for?

Not without a hardware hack on the cable box (do a search for 169time or R5000) I believe I saw one for a cable box not just satelite. The reason they encrypt the channels (5C) is to prevent you from recording them except to the builtin harddrive on the DVR boxes.

BobP.

Kirby · #**954** 01-31-2006, 12:30 PM

Its R5000 that has the cable box hack. Pre-requisite is that the cable box doesnt have a firewire port. It works good, I have one (the first actually). Once a DS filter is written it will be even better.

Kirby · #**955** 01-31-2006, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilpenguin

I started a thread to track down an issue where SageClients are unable to play SGraphrecorded files live after the recorded file size reaches 2 gig.

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15450

If anyone else has a setup capable of testing this (i.e. a server that records HDTV via firewire and a client capable of playing back HDTV) could you please run a test where you start recording/watching an HDTV show on your client and when/if the show stops playing back properly (for me video and audio just start stuttering and i'm unable to fast forward or rewind properly anymore) check the file size of the recording on your server. I suspect that it will be somewhere around ~2,097,152 kilobytes but I really want to veryify that on other peoples machines.

If you do find that you have this issue could you please post your setup in my forum topic with your client/server setup and also sent an email to Sage Support letting them know that other people have this issue also. The Super Bowl is this weekend and I would really love to have it fixed by then

I'll download the demo client app and try it tonight. I'll post in the other thread my results...

aperry · #**956** 01-31-2006, 01:15 PM

Does anyone other than me think this whole mess would be a LOT easier if the stupid PC card manufacturers would simply release a PVR card that could take in either component video or DVI (although I don't know if DVI would suffer from the same 5C problem)?

I would almost kill to have a PVR card with component and digital optical inputs...

Kirby · #**957** 01-31-2006, 01:33 PM

I dont think a standard PC's PCI bus can handle the bitrates required for analog component or even DVI (uncompressed)?

It would also be nice if they would release a 5C compliant firewire card for the PC too.

Bohica · #**958** 01-31-2006, 01:36 PM

I dont know about you guys -- but I have noticed COX cable using 5c on almost all NFL games. Dont know if this is a demand from the NFL or not -- but it has been consistent for me. Didnt actually know they could only specific content... but it seems like they do here in northern VA. Betting the superbowl is 5c'd also...

Kirby · #**959** 01-31-2006, 01:50 PM

Are you saying that Cox has been 5C'ing your FOX and CBS channels during games, or on channels associated with NFL-ST? I've never had any CBS or FOX HD signals here 5C'd during an NFL game. Or even ABC during MNF. But I am on Charter in Michigan, so it could be provider specific too.

soulprops77 · #**960** 01-31-2006, 03:20 PM

I can't seem to get any HD content over FW right now. Never worked via VLC. . .

I'm guessing it's a 5C thing.

I've heard a lot of folks in here say things like "Cox is 5C'ing. . ." or "Comcast 5C'ed. . ."

I was told by Time Warner (my local cable co.) that they are not applying any encryption to anything and they're just sending the stream through as it comes to them from the content people (FOX, NBC, HBO, etc. . .). Is this correct, or is the Time Warner guy FOS?

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