STB Firewire (IEEE-1394) Support

[Naylia]

Well, here's the latest. All my captures play back fine in VLC it turns out. They do not play back correctly in Zoom Player or WMP. Except for if I use my desktop with the same version of zoom player and the same codecs from nvidia they playback just fine. Interesting eh.....the only difference between the computers is desktop is SP1 and HTPC is SP2. So the desktop had DirectX9.0b while the HTPC had 9.0C, so I thought I'd upgrade the desktop to 9.0C. Turns out the files you get when you upgrade are different versions than the included SP2 ones, but SP2 will not allow you to replace your files with the different version of 9.0C....so guess who's meeting 'format c:\' tommorrow.

[DFA]

Naylia:

It is probably the MS Demux filter going by what you are saying. Rather than going through all that, how about just unregistering the current Demux and register in the SP1 Demux using "Regsvr32"? I have SP1 DeMux. Let me know.

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[DFA]

Just wanted to mention a couple of things about Graphedit.

First, I recommend that you find the version that comes from SDK DX9c. There are lots of earlier versions out there but the latest is better. Sorry, but I do not currently have a site to reference for download. Perhaps someone who finds a site can post it.

Second, you need to be sure you have "proppage.dll" AND that it is registered (use "Regsvr32" to register it). This file normally resides in the "System32" folder. It frequently comes with the Graphedit download but still requires manual install with "Regsvr32". Without it, you will not be able to display all property pages for devices and filters within Graphedit. "Proppage.dll" is not supplied as part of the base XP OS install. You may or may not have it from some other application that installed it so need to check.

That's it.

Dane

[VorpalBlade]

Originally Posted by Naylia

Well, here's the latest. All my captures play back fine in VLC it turns out. They do not play back correctly in Zoom Player or WMP. Except for if I use my desktop with the same version of zoom player and the same codecs from nvidia they playback just fine. Interesting eh.....the only difference between the computers is desktop is SP1 and HTPC is SP2. So the desktop had DirectX9.0b while the HTPC had 9.0C, so I thought I'd upgrade the desktop to 9.0C. Turns out the files you get when you upgrade are different versions than the included SP2 ones, but SP2 will not allow you to replace your files with the different version of 9.0C....so guess who's meeting 'format c:\' tommorrow.

Naylia, will this thread by kny3twalker solve your DirectX installation trouble?

[Naylia]

Thats just fantastic, I really wish I had seen that before. I've already reformatted my hard drive and slipstreamed a cd with sp1 and dealt with having to restore data from my damaged 'dynamic' disks because i reformatted the boot partition.

Luckily no harm done long term, just burnt a day, am no longer running sp2 and now have 'basic' disk instead of dynamic ones. Just have to finish reinstalling everything. It needed a cleanup anyways and then I'll reattack this.

[heffe2001]

How CPU intensive is the capture process? I'm wanting to set it up on my client that's at the HD box, just wondered if it would impact the client or not...

[travisbell]

On my Athlon XP 2000 it uses anywhere from 5%-10%. I have continued to use my computer while it's recording and haven't noticed any problems.

Cheers,

[heffe2001]

My client pc I'm planning on using is the 2.53 PC, connected to a 56" HD tv via DVI. Eventually I'll move it into my server closet, just dont have a PC in there with a proper 1384 port .

[foolio]

got my moto 6200 installed yesteday. easily hooked up to the computer using the drivers DFA provided. used latest network encoder from anders. currently no usb-uirt for channel changes. it did successfully view and record all available hdtv channels.

i have my 6200 hooked up to a client downstairs and all the shows are recorded to a server upstair via 100 megabit lan. recording is fine andwidth-wise, as is playback - however, watching "live" HDTV is a bit too much for the bandwidth because the stream has to go from the network encoder to the server and back to the client. (rather inefficient way of doing it, but that's the way sage does it. gigabit lan should be no problem.

just need to get a usb-uirt now. too bad can't use the MCE remote blaster for that purpose.

[mikesm]

Originally Posted by foolio

got my moto 6200 installed yesteday. easily hooked up to the computer using the drivers DFA provided. used latest network encoder from anders. currently no usb-uirt for channel changes. it did successfully view and record all available hdtv channels.

i have my 6200 hooked up to a client downstairs and all the shows are recorded to a server upstair via 100 megabit lan. recording is fine andwidth-wise, as is playback - however, watching "live" HDTV is a bit too much for the bandwidth because the stream has to go from the network encoder to the server and back to the client. (rather inefficient way of doing it, but that's the way sage does it. gigabit lan should be no problem.

just need to get a usb-uirt now. too bad can't use the MCE remote blaster for that purpose.

Interesting issue which brings up a question. Can the plug in support 2 6200's plugged into to a single server? Usually people concentrate all their tuners cards in one system anyway, to minimize complexity in the clients and also to put all the backend gear in a common spot. But I'm not sure what happens if you stuck two DCT's into the same 1394 hub.

I guess you could add a 2nd 1394 PCI card, but would the libraries and such still work?

Has anyone tried to do this with the plug in?

Thanks,
Mike

[DFA]

foolio:
I think it was spaceghost who first went with an actual remote setup. He claimed he had to go Gig-E for HD. I suppose that was for round trip experience.

Congratulations. Missery loves company when the BF hammer hits! I hope the thing gets hung in court.

mikesm:
The question has already been asked and answered with a positive "maybe". See Page 10, Post #199 of this thread. It might not be doable or at least raises the bar for a remote setup, though, depending on where Gig-E will run out of gas. The referenced post discusses multiple UNE's in the contest being local.

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[spaceghost]

Looks like I was wrong. The computer I was testing to see if 100Mbs was sufficient has a bunk Eth card. I switched cards and it's running HD off the server ok. I originally changed the server and HTPC to Gig-E just to speed up the file transfers. I upgraded to Gig-E before I got into archiving HD.

[foolio]

Anyone have any luck porting the 6200ch program to a w32 app? this would be so awesome for changing channels rather than using usb-uirt.

[DFA]

While on the topic of ethernet speeds, I have a question.

I have always assumed that for "localhost" loopback connections, that the speed rating of the ethernet port is irrelevent since nothing actually hits the physical port and Cat5 copper.

Furthermore, assuming the first assumption to be correct, I have thought that internal loopback connections are only limited to the speed of the PCI bus.

Can anyone confirm or correct me on this? In the context of HD stream transfers for local loopback connections, I would like to better know the facts.

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[Naylia]

Good News! Reinstalling to a WinXP SP1 system in replacement of SP2 solved all my problems with chipmunk speeds and the files I had recorded before now play fine. Now to just finish putting the box back together and get everything else back up to snuff so I can tackle Sage and see where I go from there. The upside of my dilemma is I now have a new 160GB drive to record all that tv I'll be timeshifting.

[DFA]

Good to hear. I have not yet implemented SP2 and seem to keep finding reasons not to. So guess I'll keep staying put.

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[foolio]

I refuse to let this thread go to the bottom!

if you don't watch a lot of HDTV, but rather record in order to timeshift HDTV - you can avoid buying a USB-UIRT. You can tell the moto 6200 to automatically tune to each channel 1-2 minutes before Sage does via the "TIMER" option in the menu. works great. at night, I have the timer tune to the tonight show in HDTV and watch that live upstairs.

For my SD Channels, I don't use the 6200.

[DFA]

I too am enjoying Sage with a little HD in our lives. It was a long haul for me to get there starting with migrating from W2K to XP to get the needed firewire stack. The turning point was when Anders stepped in with the UNE. I knew it could be done but lack that level of programming skills. In the end it has been worth it but now have to monitor and fret about the BF situation.

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[turak]

Can you some how set SageTV up to not use one source if it's using another? I would be cool if I could run coax from a STB into a PVR-250 and also run firewire from the same STB for the 6 or 7 HD channels that aren't encrypted. Most of my SD digital channels seem to be encrypted.

[DFA]

Turak:

That is exactly what I am doing and have done so from the start. The trick to that is to find an independent EPG that has the same lineup. I found a neighboring town that had the same cable company provider with same lineup. Lineups are posted on their websites. I used the zip code for the neighboring town for the UNE when configuring.

I have cable directly hooked to the PVR-250 tuner for lower analog stations, an s-video link from the STB to the PVR-250 and the FW link from the STB to the HTPC. I use my providers non-digital EPG for the PVR-250 tuner, my providers digital lineup for the s-video link and the neighboring town digital lineup for the UNE. That way I can control and assign channels by device / input.

Go to Page 4, Post #78 of this thread and take a look at the JPEG's attached in that post. I have shown the EPG's and encoder EPG assignments. This has worked well for me.

DFA