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Old 09-13-2017, 09:38 AM
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It seems like South Korea is far ahead of North America on this. And it isn't clear where the bandwidth for ATSC 3.0 stations will come from, at least not from this Wikipedia article:
That true but South Korea is also a very small country
The 8VSB modulation, allowing for 28 Mbit/s to 36 Mbit/s or more of bandwidth on a single 6-MHz channel.
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:04 AM
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It doesn't matter how big the country is if there isn't the will to implement the new standards and get stations broadcasting. TV networks may not be keen on having to retrofit everything, again, to be able to support 4K.

I wonder if you will start to see the major networks start to back away from OTA. NBC is now owned by Comcast - would they prefer you watch their content for free via OTA or with a cable subscription to Comcast? Will they start to shut down some OTA transmitters?

This has started to happen here in Canada where one of the main TV networks, CTV, is owned by Bell Canada which is one of the incumbent telephone companies that sells IPTV service and also owns a satellite TV business. CTV seems to have very little interest in providing a decent OTA service - they are looking to shutdown a third of their transmitters.

The vertical integration occurring in the US TMT sector looks like it is following Canada. Comcast owns NBC, Universal Studios and is a large cable TV provider. They also own a sports team. Very similar to what we have in Canada where the bulk of the private TV channels, both cable and OTA, are owned by telecom/cable companies like Bell, Rogers, Videotron/Qubecor and Shaw.

OTA was really at the leading edge of HD adoption as HD channels were available OTA at the same time, or sooner, then they were on cable/sat. That is not happening with 4K - OTA is several years behind.
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:27 PM
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Here in Canada Rogers cable has been an early adopter of 4K. For the 2016 and 2017 season all Toronto Blue Jays home games have been shown in 4K. They also have some NHL games and a few Raptors NBA games in 4K. But the problem is that they only have a non-DVR 4K cable box and who wants to watch live TV? ...

Does DirecTV have 4K satellite boxes with DVR? ...
DirecTV has two-tuner 4K DVRs, but they require a separate (Genie) client for each display.

Other than Rangers games that I watch delayed I watch all sports events live. It's too hard to ignore the scrolling scores on the bottom of the screen during other broadcasts. In fact, if there are weather problem that cause golf rounds to be played earlier than originally scheduled I will not even watch the taped coverage in the scheduled slot ...
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:54 AM
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But if you don't watch other sports the same day then you are good. The sports I tend to watch more are hockey and basketball and I tend to watch them in near real-time. You can watch a hockey or basketball game in less than an hour skipping commercials, half-time, etc. There is the ticker issue when both teams are playing on the same night but I haven't had that bother me as I tend to not focus on that.

Perhaps that is an idea for a SageTV plugin - being able to mask part of the screen to block out tickers.

tmiranda wrote the "disable timeline for monitored recordings" that is very useful so as not to spoil a game by seeing what the timeline looks like. If you are watching a playoff hockey game and it is tied near the end of the game (and you are using SRE) then you can tell from the timeline if the game goes into OT or not.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:08 AM
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But if you don't watch other sports the same day then you are good. The sports I tend to watch more are hockey and basketball and I tend to watch them in near real-time. Perhaps that is an idea for a SageTV plugin - being able to mask part of the screen to block out tickers.
All of the hockey I watch is done in near-real time. I usually start viewing just over an hour into the broadcast, and reach the end (excepting shoot-out games) about ten minutes after the game has ended. Hockey's tough, because if you do notice the scrolling scores on the broadcast of another game it ruins your experience. If you see that the Flyers now have a 2 - 1 lead on the Rangers in the 2nd, and you're watching action of a 1 - 1 tie you know any and all of those "great scoring chances" for the Rangers will be for naught.

You can adjust the screen shift and zooming to hide the score scroll in Sage. I will do that occasionally when I'm watching two games at once on the treadmill ...
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:44 AM
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I only watch my local teams, the Leafs and Raptors, so that is not an issue for me.
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Man, those are some crazy requirements. As I mentioned, I don't have Netflix, but it makes it appear as though they do not want any PC-based streaming ...
They don't, not the content owners at least.

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Perhaps that is an idea for a SageTV plugin - being able to mask part of the screen to block out tickers.
You could already do that with Sage's built in aspect ratio controls.

Hm, now that I think of it, if I watched those sorts of channels, I'd be really tempted now to just setup custom ARs for them that chop off the tickers all the time.
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Okay, I got sidetracked a bit, but to be thorough for the O.P., I also have a GTX 1050 card installed in a Win 8 64-bit system and the 4K video player is indistinguishable from that of the GT 1030, so don't assume that buying a more powerful (and far more expensive) card will yield greater performance for video playback ...
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:54 AM
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Okay, I got sidetracked a bit, but to be thorough for the O.P., I also have a GTX 1050 card installed in a Win 8 64-bit system and the 4K video player is indistinguishable from that of the GT 1030, so don't assume that buying a more powerful (and far more expensive) card will yield greater performance for video playback ...
That some what true if only your using it as video decoder but need factor in the rest sub that make use of DirectX and spending a tab more for 128 memory over 64 memory bandwidth play key role not is just in gaming, at lease back old day it was so it may still apply.
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That some what true if only your using it as video decoder but need factor in the rest sub that make use of DirectX and spending a tab more for 128 memory over 64 memory bandwidth play key role not is just in gaming, at lease back old day it was so it may still apply.
My point is that the Pascal feature set is tailored to max video performance without the presence of comparably high hardware requirements. This should not be that big a surprise, since the hardware decoders of a MiBox or an Odroid C2 can also handle h265 and VP9 4k 60hz content.

My advice on this subject (which was originally about low-cost options for video) is to start with lower-end Pascal cards and work up, if needed. Do a side-by-side comparison of your selected GPU with an nVidia Shield, a MiBox, or other comparably-equipped Android box, if available ...
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Old 09-16-2017, 01:06 PM
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Yes true but it dose depend on the app do keep in mind that min app can now make used of hardware acceleration.
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Old 09-25-2017, 07:49 PM
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I'm using the GTX 750ti at 3840 x 2160 60hz. Not having any problems at all.
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