Google Fiber

[Rob]

Hopefully ceton will support it. I'm not interested in converting my entire library.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by Brent

I imagine that is in the 2-3 year plan if you can call it a plan. Just as likely, google will "work together" with other providers to roll out comparable fiber service in other cities/countries. Some places - particularly intl have something close so Google could co-brand and offer the Google Fiber product that way. Just a guess though.
As of now, no other cities are on the list thus far.

Why did I have it in my head that Google had stated this was basically an experiment to show what's possible with huge bandwidth, in the hope it would drive other providers, and that they had no plans for broader deployment.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Why did I have it in my head that Google had stated this was basically an experiment to show what's possible with huge bandwidth, in the hope it would drive other providers, and that they had no plans for broader deployment.

That probably is their statement. I'm speculating beyond that... But I'd be surprised if they didn't actually have something of their own move beyond the KC project even if it's only the TV part of it

[stanger89]

Maybe they can partner with Imon, I've got Fiber run to my house already

[Skybolt]

Originally Posted by Rob

Hopefully ceton will support it. I'm not interested in converting my entire library.

That's been the biggest hope so far over at AVS forums, in how they will support ripped content of any kind. Since WMC is all DRM based this should prove interesting.

And to tie this back to the topic, I would like to see how Google is going to handle this for there server support of recorded tv. Sounds like they will need to be DRM as well or at least support something which supports CP.

[Rob]

The arguement for not supporting DVD or BD is a bit silly to me. So I can convert it to mkv and then it is supported? Seems like they better not support mkv either....

And by the way, I own (purchased and paid for) everyting in my library.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Maybe they can partner with Imon, I've got Fiber run to my house already

No idea, but seems like something Google might want to do down the road doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Rob

The arguement for not supporting DVD or BD is a bit silly to me. So I can convert it to mkv and then it is supported? Seems like they better not support mkv either....

And by the way, I own (purchased and paid for) everyting in my library.

That was my argument and speculation. I could be wrong of course.

[Rob]

Brent, I hope you did not think I was calling you silly or imply I thought you were arguing for DVD and BD not to be supported. I know your just speculating and I know your ususally not wrong (but I'm pulling against your speculation here).

I'm talking about Ceton and Google and content owners arguing that it should not be supported.

[darcilicious]

Originally Posted by Skybolt

That's been the biggest hope so far over at AVS forums, in how they will support ripped content of any kind. Since WMC is all DRM based this should prove interesting.

This is not 100% true. Recordings from component tuners/recorders (e.g. HD-PVR, Hava Wireless) are not DRM'd. And in Windows 7 it's possible to play back local content in mkv containers IIRC (though it may require some extra work) and the Media Browser plugin adds cover art...

[aflat]

Originally Posted by darcilicious

This is not 100% true. Recordings from component tuners/recorders (e.g. HD-PVR, Hava Wireless) are not DRM'd. And in Windows 7 it's possible to play back local content in mkv containers IIRC (though it may require some extra work) and the Media Browser plugin adds cover art...

That is true for Windows 7, but not their extenders(like the 360) which I think most of us who are still here really want. I still use Sage because there is nothing else out there that has extenders that can do what Sage does. mkv/DB/DVD rips/etc make up most of my library, so I want extenders, not computers. My wife can't figure out how to reset a HD200(like when I power down the server, and forget to reset the HD200) I don't want to think about what adding a computer in front of the TV would do to her.

Go extender or go home, that's my motto for now.

[Skybolt]

Originally Posted by darcilicious

This is not 100% true. Recordings from component tuners/recorders (e.g. HD-PVR, Hava Wireless) are not DRM'd. And in Windows 7 it's possible to play back local content in mkv containers IIRC (though it may require some extra work) and the Media Browser plugin adds cover art...

Your right, that's not 100% true, but from the extender point of view i smostly is. Only protected content like HBO, and in my area the Science channel as well, are DRM'd. The MKV container isn't supported 100% as stanger has pointed out many times as well (on extenders).

MediaBrowser, while a great plugin, doesn't fix any DRM issues. And only non-DRM'd files can be converted and played back via an extender.

So I imagine that Google will have these same constraints as well where CP is concerned. JMO.

[Skybolt]

Originally Posted by aflat

... I don't want to think about what adding a computer in front of the TV would do to her.

Go extender or go home, that's my motto for now.

Truer words have not been spoken (or written in this case).

[wayner]

OK, so it is nice that Sage is kind of seeing the light of day in Google Fiber. But it looks like for everyone other than Brent and his homeboys in KC we are going to have to 2-3 years, and those of us outside of the US will likley have an even longer wait.

Therefore why can't Google throw us a friggin' bone and give away SageTV licenses for free for server and client?

[toony]

Originally Posted by aflat

That is true for Windows 7, but not their extenders(like the 360) which I think most of us who are still here really want. I still use Sage because there is nothing else out there that has extenders that can do what Sage does. mkv/DB/DVD rips/etc make up most of my library, so I want extenders, not computers. My wife can't figure out how to reset a HD200(like when I power down the server, and forget to reset the HD200) I don't want to think about what adding a computer in front of the TV would do to her.

Go extender or go home, that's my motto for now.

Doesn't the Ceton Echo solve the lack of extender issue for WMC ?

I'm thinking of switching to wmc with echos, will I be screwing myself and have to convert terabytes of video files ?

[Brent]

Originally Posted by Rob

Brent, I hope you did not think I was calling you silly or imply...

No worries. Just wanted to be clear that it was my opinions and speculation & nothing concrete.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by toony

Doesn't the Ceton Echo solve the lack of extender issue for WMC ?

It may, I certainly hope it does, but we don't know for sure. Though I guess I'll find out for sure in a month or so.

I'm thinking of switching to wmc with echos, will I be screwing myself and have to convert terabytes of video files ?

We just don't know yet. I'm exploring the same idea. we'll see how it goes.

[toony]

Originally Posted by stanger89

It may, I certainly hope it does, but we don't know for sure. Though I guess I'll find out for sure in a month or so.



We just don't know yet. I'm exploring the same idea. we'll see how it goes.

I'll be watching this closely. I'm not a sage power user, no plugins / customizations. Even pulled the plug on my Hauppauge hd card. My hd300 is failing so I hope echo is the answer.

[Rob]

Sure hope Stanger89 will be able to share his results with us.

[jm9843]

Originally Posted by Rob

The arguement for not supporting DVD or BD is a bit silly to me. So I can convert it to mkv and then it is supported? Seems like they better not support mkv either....

And by the way, I own (purchased and paid for) everyting in my library.

This could become a moot point (depending on your outlook) if Google adapts their Fiber TV Android app to work on upcoming Google TV devices. Doing so would make any Google TV device a Fiber TV client while the open nature of the platform allows for other apps (e.g. XBMC) to handle robust local media playback.

[phelme]

Originally Posted by jm9843

This could become a moot point (depending on your outlook) if Google adapts their Fiber TV Android app to work on upcoming Google TV devices. Doing so would make any Google TV device a Fiber TV client while the open nature of the platform allows for other apps (e.g. XBMC) to handle robust local media playback.

That's one thing I'm hoping for, would make my new Sony GS7 more useful down the line.

BTW, has there been any official mention of what OS the new incarnation of SageTV is running on? I'm assuming it was ported to Android.