HDHomeRun (HDHR) Prime + SageDCT

[KJake]

Echoing the same, thanks babgvant! The Prime has become my main recorder now.

Considering getting rid of my R5000 since the latest s/w release has issues with Sage and Win7x64. Would free up a ton of space in the closet since I'm using a DCP501 for it.

[d2globalinc]

Originally Posted by jsiemon

Installed SageDCT 1.9, regenerated tuner list, enabled Static Ports for each tuner, updated SageTV properties, and bingo all is good so far.

HDHomeRun running 20110920beta1.

Thanks babgvant.

Same here! THANKS A TON BABGVANT!

[scoful]

Is it possible to use SageTV with SageDCT to record copy once content for playback in WMC (or WMP or QuickTV)?

[d2globalinc]

Originally Posted by scoful

Is it possible to use SageTV with SageDCT to record copy once content for playback in WMC (or WMP or QuickTV)?

Nope - Copy Once content can only be tuned in/recorded with WMC.. On that note, the HDHomerun Prime works with all the non-premium channels here in Omaha, NE - it wont work with HBO, Cinemax, etc - but I don't have those channels anyway, and if I did I would still use the HDHRP, just would use a single HD-PVR and cablebox for those Premium channels..

Different markets / cable providers have different Copy Freely settings... There is a list being built over at the missing remote - so you could check there or in the SiliconDust forums to see if someone in your area can tell you exactly what channels are available.

Here is the master list link - feel free to contribute!:
http://www.missingremote.com/forums/...us-master-list

Good Luck!

[scoful]

Originally Posted by d2globalinc

Nope - Copy Once content can only be tuned in/recorded with WMC..
Good Luck!

I was under the impression that SageDCT was actually telling WMC to record the content.

If there was a way to do that we could hybridize SageTV with WMC to sort of bridge into HDCP. Since the prime is a network device a tuner could be assigned to each of 3 Win7 clients. When selecting a show to record that's on a channel flagged the user would be prompted to 'Record on this client' or select one of the other two - or perhaps even select it to record on multiple clients. (I know this will use more space and tie up more tuners - unless the prime can stream the same signal to two WMC's at the same time with one tuner)

When you want to play back the content, the channel flag would prompt the user "Play in Windows Media Center?" on the client it's recorded from or "This content is only available in 'Living Room'" using a description or hostname of the client the content was recorded on.

Ideally there's a way to use WMC programatically for playback and make it at least appear a little more seamless.

I really hate the thought of using WMC. When Sage announced the buyout I started looking at it again - it seems the only way to have shared content is with extenders AND it seems that extenders don't exist other than the XBOX360!

[Kirby]

Originally Posted by scoful

I was under the impression that SageDCT was actually telling WMC to record the content.

No, that was the former software that Andy made, SageMCTuner.

[Gustovier]

Is it possible to force the prime/sagedct to save all content as 720p no matter what it's being broadcasted at like we can with some set top boxes?

[KJake]

Originally Posted by Gustovier

Is it possible to force the prime/sagedct to save all content as 720p no matter what it's being broadcasted at like we can with some set top boxes?

Short answer: no

Long answer:
The program is streaming the content from the cable system - similar to the Firewire or R5000 systems - so there is no interaction other than opening a file on the filesystem and dumping everything into it and closing the file when done. Reformatting the picture would basically be transcoding and take up a ton of CPU to do so.

[impro]

Originally Posted by KJake

Short answer: no

Long answer:
The program is streaming the content from the cable system - similar to the Firewire or R5000 systems - so there is no interaction other than opening a file on the filesystem and dumping everything into it and closing the file when done. Reformatting the picture would basically be transcoding and take up a ton of CPU to do so.

Just setup the HD100/200/300 to output 720P.

[scoful]

Just got my prime connected and have been doing some preliminary setup.

I can see all of my channels that I'm subscribed to in QuickTV - even Showtime and TMC (not sure if QuickTV shows everything or just copy freely content)

For some reason when the HDHomeRun Service is started my network keeps dropping out and my client loses connection to the server.

Wife wants to watch some stuff right now so I'm stuck waiting (probably until she passes out) to finish configuring it. Channel changes in QuickTV seem pretty quick...

[scoful]

Every time I start the HDHomerun service my clients lose connection with the server!
This happens even if I try to run Sage locally on the server.

Am I missing something here?

I have everything working fine in Media Center. If I stop the HDHomeRun service and SageDCT I can see the tuners listed in Sage and assign them to an EPG.

If I fiddle with starting the services up sometimes I can connect to my Sage server but if I select a program on one of the tuners Sage reports that no tuners are available for the current selection.

If I test SageDCT with SageTV running I get a message about the connection being actively refused.

My signature is out of date - SageTV version is 7.1.9.256. Windows 7 Ultimate Service Pack 1 x86 on server 3GB Ram 1.5 TB RAID for boot, music and DVD's (static content) and 2.0 TB RAID for recordings.

Firewall is completely disabled on my server. Server is hosting SageDCT. SageDCT connections are using local loopback (127.0.0.1). Only other tuner I have connected right now is a Hauppauge WinTV7164 dual tuner. Had a 950Q in there but took it out to simplify troubleshooting (I was planning on removing it after I had the Prime working anyway). The only other thing running on my server is MagicJack.

[Skybolt]

I finaly got everything up and running this week, Prime + Tunning Adapter. So now I am making sure all of the channels that the
cable company said should work will work. And well they don't. I was assured that all no premium channels were CopyFreely and well there not. Wow big surpprise tech support being wrong! HBO works fine but the Science Channel is CopyOnce - go figure.

So now I am trying to figure out my options, new cable boxes in a closet with IR or stay with DirectTv and deal with the outages when it rains. Which is why I went back to cable (this week) in the first place.

Ok enough ranting, will the Prime support clear QAM without a cablecard? Or is the CC needed, as it appears it does.

Thanks,
Skybolt

BTW My cable carrier is Cablevision in Long Island, NY.

[Kirby]

Originally Posted by Skybolt

Ok enough ranting, will the Prime support clear QAM without a cablecard? Or is the CC needed, as it appears it does.

There is a post on SD forums that indicates that it can do clear QAM without a card. Might want to look at their forums.

[phelme]

I received my Prime yesterday and am having some issues. A few things to note first:

-I'm on Windows XP
-the card hasn't been activated yet. first attempt went nowhere and will be talking to Comcast again today
-running 08/30 firmware
-the Prime has no problem tuning in clear QAM channels through HDHR QuickTV

First question: is it safe to upgrade to the latest beta from SD?

Does SageDCT work if the card -hasn't- yet been activated? Can it communicate as a clear QAM digital tuner?

I use to run the original HDHR on here so a lot of the channels are in the form [73-1008-55] and I notice that it tries to send that as the channel, is that a problem?

Looking at the logs, there is communication going on, but it always fails to change the channel:

2011/09/23 01:43:57.54 : ProcessMessage 6990: START SageDCT-HDHomeRun Prime Tuner 131017F1-0 Digital TV Tuner|90-1008-32|2633534875066|\\sagetv-server\BigMedia2-Recordings\ClassicArtsShowcase-10342959-0.ts|Great
2011/09/23 01:43:57.54 : SageDCTTuner 6990 Send: ERROR Channel must be a numeric value
2011/09/23 01:43:57.54 : Before Accept: 6990
2011/09/23 01:43:57.54 : After Accept: 6990
2011/09/23 01:43:57.54 : 6990 Bytes Received: 86
2011/09/23 01:43:57.54 : ProcessMessage 6990: GET_FILE_SIZE \\sagetv-server\BigMedia2-Recordings\ClassicArtsShowcase-10342959-0.ts
2011/09/23 01:43:57.55 : SageDCTTuner 6990 Send: ERROR The path is not of a legal form.
2011/09/23 01:43:57.55 : Before Accept: 6990
2011/09/23 01:43:57.55 : After Accept: 6990
2011/09/23 01:43:57.55 : 6990 Bytes Received: 86
2011/09/23 01:43:57.55 : ProcessMessage 6990: GET_FILE_SIZE \\sagetv-server\BigMedia2-Recordings\ClassicArtsShowcase-10342959-0.ts
2011/09/23 01:43:57.55 : SageDCTTuner 6990 Send: ERROR The path is not of a legal form.

(and this repeats until I untune the channel)

Could it be XP that's messing me up?

Thanks in advance!

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by phelme

First question: is it safe to upgrade to the latest beta from SD?

Define "safe". I am currently using the latest firmware on the PRIME + SageDCT 1.9 as the only tuner in my production box.

Originally Posted by phelme

Does SageDCT work if the card -hasn't- yet been activated? Can it communicate as a clear QAM digital tuner?

No. SageDCT does not support ClearQAM on any DCT, and it's unlikely that it ever will (AFAIK that requires using a different set of UPnP calls).

[phelme]

Originally Posted by babgvant

Define "safe". I am currently using the latest firmware on the PRIME + SageDCT 1.9 as the only tuner in my production box.

No. SageDCT does not support ClearQAM on any DCT, and it's unlikely that it ever will (AFAIK that requires using a different set of UPnP calls).

OK, well I'll stop trying to make that work then.

Well, Comcast can't get it to activate, went to tier 2 support, who managed to block my Internet access completely in the process and had to send me to someone else to reset my modem . Now I have to wait until tomorrow when a tech will come out and I'm sure discover some number wasn't entered correctly somewhere. sigh...

This shouldn't be this hard.

[scoful]

I guess I spoke too soon.

I was getting a 'No Signal' but found that if I waited another 10 or 15 seconds it does actually tune the channels. Pretty darn slow to tune though - coulda sworn somebody else posted about how quick their's was to tune....

Haven't rebooted yet to see if it survives...

[jptheripper]

Originally Posted by scoful

I guess I spoke too soon.

I was getting a 'No Signal' but found that if I waited another 10 or 15 seconds it does actually tune the channels. Pretty darn slow to tune though - coulda sworn somebody else posted about how quick their's was to tune....

Haven't rebooted yet to see if it survives...

That was me. about 1 second from "watch now" to video. But that is on hauppauges usb cablecard, not the prime

[babgvant]

Originally Posted by jptheripper

That was me. about 1 second from "watch now" to video. But that is on hauppauges usb cablecard, not the prime

it take about 3 seconds to tune on the PRIME

[scoful]

Originally Posted by babgvant

it take about 3 seconds to tune on the PRIME

Dang! I wish!
More like 22 seconds for me.

I guess I can't complain too much - at least every channel I subscribe to is available!

Also - had to switch my HDHomeRun setup main application to 'SageTV' to get SageTV service to work reliably for some reason.

Is there some reason why the Prime can't be used directly as a network tuner? (I suppose it easily could if Silicondust built it in...)