SageTV acquired by Google

[TechBill]

Originally Posted by jorton

http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets...tank-20110622/

Man

Google gonna need to hire the Diamond team to fix their GUI before releasing this if that their next version of Google/SageTV

It look sooooo 90's


Bill

[brainbone]

Originally Posted by bastafidli

I think it allows us to speculate that Live TV and exactly the type of functionality Sage mastered on its extenders is a very high priority for developers. Nothing is easier that to just throw money at a problem, purchase proven solution and deliver above and beyond what everybody expected to ensure that you succeed.

I guess I still don't see that. To me, it implies Google doesn't want to allow access to the Live TV stream for security reasons. Though it doesn't specifically state the issue, I have to assume that if security is not a concern, what the developers ask is a not a problem, and if security is a concern, nothing SageTV has would likely solve the issue.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by joematt

When SageTV (Jeff) not Google says that it is a final then I will believe it.

That Q&A with 'google' from Brent WAS Jeff.

Originally Posted by Narflex

Not much, first thing which you anyone reading this probably already saw is the article on GeekTonic that has responses that I myself created to questions Brent Evans submitted. That is here: http://www.geektonic.com/2011/06/wha...mers-post.html

[sandor]

Originally Posted by joematt

When SageTV (Jeff) not Google says that it is a final then I will believe it.

then don't hold your breath.

i have a feeling that this will either be another google purchase that results in nothing, or small parts of it (OTA DVR) will be rolled into an existing google project. I'm fully expecting SageTV as we know and love to be gone. Though i am still on v6 (and a macintosh server) so i'm not sweating anything about v7.

...any one know if i can use a Sage Server license as a client? I may have solved my HD300 shortfall by finding an old placeshifter, windows client and windows server license in my email!! if i can use the server as a client, i am golden, after building a couple of little computers.

[jm9843]

Originally Posted by brainbone

I guess I still don't see that. To me, it implies Google doesn't want to allow access to the Live TV stream for security reasons. Though it doesn't specifically state the issue, I have to assume that if security is not a concern, what the developers ask is a not a problem, and if security is a concern, nothing SageTV has would likely solve the issue.

In the context of the article, "Live TV stream" refers to an actual video signal coming into the box's HDMI-in from an external source. That's not to be confused with pre-recorded content like, for instance, a dvr's "Live TV" which isn't really live at all.

The dispute described in the article between Google and developers over Google TV app's access to "Live TV" has no bearing on possible SageTV integration in its current state. However, if a SageTV client app were created then it would conceivably "break" the dual-view (PIP) concept of Google TV without the app's ability to overlay whatever it's doing on the "Live TV" window. The later being an "app" unto itself.

I think (hope) that Google will come around and allow for that capability as it will open up all kinds of interesting possibilities, but it's doubtful in the time frame given for the Honeycomb update (summer aka any day now).

[SHS]

Originally Posted by reggie14

That's not entirely clear. Sage, Google, Adobe, Microsoft, etc., can claim that all they want, but the case law on reselling software is far from clear.

Obviously you'll probably quickly find yourself in moderated status if you tried to sell/transfer keys on these forums, and Google/Sage could probably get things pulled off of eBay if they really wanted, but you're almost certainly not going to find yourself in litigation with Google over reselling your keys.

There is big diff it has to do with Physical Media vs Digital Content Delivery so in case with SageTV you do not get a Physical Media CD with Key printed on the disc so there for you not allow resell it.
Only SageTV hardware can be re-sold becuase it a Physical Product.
Ho and before I forget you please take note: something about SageTV STX-HD100 Extender you can sell the hardware it self but not the license key becuase that was Digital Delivery by email if I recall rigth

[Dingdul]

I must admit to having monitored this thread with a measured attitude, i guess erring on the positive side, although if ota recording and live tv are confirmed as ultimately out of the window this will force a decision to can my Sage setup (somehow, even if my setup works perfectly and plugin dev continues, I wouldn't wish to be running and end of life application).

But more pressing, today my setup suffered drastically on several fronts; 3 of my hard drives inexplicably taken themselves offline reporting failures, even though my Sage drive seems okay, the epg has stopped working, wiz.bin seems corrupted and now a peculiar blurring of fonts on both my hd300s.

Anyway, to the point, I'm sure a server rebuild will resolve the situation although whereas I'd previously have almost relished this opportunity for a clean install, I'm left feeling flat and uninspired, the reinstall being a hard necessity for the family rather than an exercise I'll readily embrace.

So now I feel a bit trapped given I'd put so much effort into selecting Sage as my platform of choice. I also feel a bit silly having converted a number of other people to Sage who have imported and installed extenders.

So doubtless I'll undertake my reinstall this weekend although in honesty, were there a credible extender out there for Win7MC I'd be giving that a try instead.

Fingers crossed...

[logsvp]

It occurs to me that there could be a couple of good reasons why the store is closed to new purchases:

1. The next iteration of the s/w will be free and therefore customers could feel hard done by if they just shelled out on a new license
2. There maybe new replacement h/w imminently available - hence buying HD300s could be a bad move

The above may be wishful thinking

In any case, I do wonder why organisations such as SageTV (as was) and Google get themselves into these silly situations with upset customers - communication is key and it seems to have been severely lacking in this instance.

[brainbone]

Originally Posted by logsvp

In any case, I do wonder why organisations such as SageTV (as was) and Google get themselves into these silly situations with upset customers - communication is key and it seems to have been severely lacking in this instance.

Because in these situations, often the customer is the least important part of the acquisition -- many times existing customers are more of a liability than an asset.

[dinki]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Get a grip. The SageTV software is exactly the same today as it was a week ago. The extenders have not changed. Nothing has changed. Even a year from now, the WORST case would be the forums are gone, and the community moves somewhere else, and the US/Canada EPG data is gone, and you ahve to instead use MC2XML and the XMLTV Importer to rather easily grab the exact same zap2it guide data you're getting now. a 15-20 minute process of resetting up the guide data, and you're set again for another 6 years if you want. the ONLY thing that has significantly changed at this point, is future expandability (no more client licenses or extenders). If googlesage ends up never releasing them for sale again, than at least the former will probably be filled in by gray market alternatives.

Having a stable platform and enough extenders I'm not seeing this being the end of usability of my system that others seem to be concerned about. One of my biggest issues with Tivo and other commercial PVRs is the pay-for-listings monthly charge. Knowing that we can use the same listings as MythTV, Meedios, MediaPortal,etc (http://www.schedulesdirect.org/) eases my mind. Twenty bucks a year is not a bad price compared to $10-$15 a month.

Moving forward, I'd be curious if Google would have the inclination or ability to upgrade the HD200/HD300 devices to Android and somehow allow us to use this hardware with GoogleTV. I guess only time will tell.

[ptzink]

Over 2 hours and no replies on this thread! Oh no, the sky is falling in. </sarcasm>

[polen]

Originally Posted by ptzink

Over 2 hours and no replies on this thread! Oh no, the sky is falling in. </sarcasm>

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

These are all stages of grief. Now I think everyone has made it to step five, Acceptence.

[pez]

I wonder if Google's acquisition of SageTV has prompted Yahoo to inquire about purchasing Hulu? Might a bidding war ensue? I'm surprised that Google didn't buy them first.

[Evil_Attorney]

Originally Posted by ptzink

Over 2 hours and no replies on this thread! Oh no, the sky is falling in. </sarcasm>

I think everyone went to a google group for a more uninhibited conversation (e.g., talk of buying/selling extenders)
http://groups.google.com/group/unofficial-sagetv-forum

[sumrtym]

Originally Posted by polen

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

These are all stages of grief. Now I think everyone has made it to step five, Acceptence.

Speak for yourself. I'm in part 2 still.

This was the ONLY non-DRM system out there. And I HATE being told what I can record, how long I can use it, how I use it, when I'm paying them a high fee for TV each month already!

[iolaus]

Originally Posted by polen

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

These are all stages of grief. Now I think everyone has made it to step five, Acceptence.

Speak for yourself, I'm stuck on Anger.

[SomeWhatLost]

Originally Posted by polen

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

These are all stages of grief. Now I think everyone has made it to step five, Acceptence.

what step is Confusion?
I would be on that step, but I can't find it...

[SteveD]

How many are going to continue to operate sage beyond the EPG 1 year deadline with alternative EPG.

[hufnagel]

if I can get a reliable guide feed into it after the current EPG fails, then I'll be using Sage indefinitely as I always planned. otherwise who knows.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by SteveD

How many are going to continue to operate sage beyond the EPG 1 year deadline with alternative EPG.

Me thing it going be more like How many are going to continue to operate sage when the next alternative pvr come out that if what think is going to happing but like all thing we just have to wait and see and god I hope I'm right or I be getting the frying pan over head but all else fail I used a alternative EPG in tell something dose come alomg I like and work close to what sagetv dose.