Are those of you who have upgraded to Windows 7 and Sage 7 happy?

[Mike]

Originally Posted by wayner

I am running Sage7 on older hardware using XP pro. I will likely upgrade the hardware soon but I am not sure whether to go Win7 or XP pro. This is just a server machine - it won't be used for playback. The advantage of XP pro is that it has remote desktop server which doesn't come on Win7 HP. I also need firewire channel change so I have to stay wi 32 bit.

One of these days we are going to need someone to write 64 bit firewire drivers.

I'm under the impression that Win 7 has remote desktop, but its turned off by default. Is that not correct?

[wayner]

No it is not part of Win7 HP (or Vista HP) just like it wasn't included in XP Home. But IMHO this was a ripoff since the HP editions of Vista and Win7 were the natural upgrade path for Win XP MCE which did include RDP. To enable RDP you have to do a hack by changing a dll file - here is a very long thread at TGB that describes how to do this. I am pretty sure this works as I believe that I have it working properly on at least one of my three Win7 HP systems.

http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/7...64.aspx#393664

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by wayner

No it is not part of Win7 HP (or Vista HP) just like it wasn't included in XP Home. But IMHO this was a ripoff since the HP editions of Vista and Win7 were the natural upgrade path for Win XP MCE which did include RDP.

Windows XP MCE was based on Windows Professional. Not Home. None of the Home products ever had RDP. Which is why if you're tecnically savvy you really don't want Windows Anything Home.

Gerry

[robk]

Is the reason you need RDP because it's a headless server? If so, try TeamViewer. I use it to access a wireless picture frame hanging on a wall and a laptop hidden (but ventilated) in a cabinet that only runs a MagicJack USB phone. Both are headless, obviously no mouse, keyboard, the picture frame has an 11" screen. TeamViewer is free for personal use and works perfectly.

Rob

[wayner]

Originally Posted by gplasky

Windows XP MCE was based on Windows Professional. Not Home. None of the Home products ever had RDP. Which is why if you're tecnically savvy you really don't want Windows Anything Home.

What OS would you suggest for a Sage server that will not be used for playback - Pro or is it worth paying the additional $50 or so for Ultimate?

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

I'm running Windows 7 32-bit with Sage 7. I don't use my server for video playback so I'm not really sure how much it really mattered switching to Windows 7 (I simply did it because I felt it was time to move away from a 7+ year old operating system). I'm on Sage 7.0.22 (just haven't upgraded to .23 yet) and am extremely happy with the stability.

So if I am going to rebuild my XP system to W7, and update 6.6 to Sage 7, is there any way to do it that WON'T kill all my recording references?

My plan is to NOT touch the old XP OS drive, and install a new, larger drive for W7. I will not change anything that is on my data drive. I also have the system drive partitioned into two partitions - one small partition with XP, and a large partition with photos, music, internet files, and general media.
My intention is to create the same setup, drive letters, etc, using the new W7 drive.

Are the wiz.bin's and Sage properties harmonius from 6.6 to 7.0?

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by wayner

What OS would you suggest for a Sage server that will not be used for playback - Pro or is it worth paying the additional $50 or so for Ultimate?

If you're looking for the best fit I would recommend Windows 7 Pro. The only things you would miss from Ultimate (or Enterprise) is Aero Glass Remoting, AppLocker, Drive Encryption, Distributed Cache, DirectAccess, Subsystem for UNIX apps, Languages and Virtual Hard Disk Boot. Things that are not neccessary for a Sage server. Those are more business/enterprise type features. So don't pay the extra $50 for Ultimate.

Gerry

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

So if I am going to rebuild my XP system to W7, and update 6.6 to Sage 7, is there any way to do it that WON'T kill all my recording references?

My plan is to NOT touch the old XP OS drive, and install a new, larger drive for W7. I will not change anything that is on my data drive. I also have the system drive partitioned into two partitions - one small partition with XP, and a large partition with photos, music, internet files, and general media.
My intention is to create the same setup, drive letters, etc, using the new W7 drive.

Are the wiz.bin's and Sage properties harmonius from 6.6 to 7.0?

Just copy your wiz.bin over to the new Sage 7 install (or update the existing 6) and you'll still have everything. If it is a new install make sure all the directories you define for recording drive and Imports are the same as they were in 6.

Gerry

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by gplasky

Just copy your wiz.bin over to the new Sage 7 install (or update the existing 6) and you'll still have everything. If it is a new install make sure all the directories you define for recording drive and Imports are the same as they were in 6.

Gerry

wow - that sounds simple. really?
Do you suggest updating from 6.6 to Sage 7 BEFORE installing Windows 7, or do the clean Windows install, and then copy over the 6.6 files, and THEN update to Sage 7?

[gplasky]

You have options galore. Myself. I would do a clean install of WIndows 7 and disable UAC. That's my preference. I'm diligent enough about security that I don't need to be babysat. Then I would do a clean install of SageTV 7 and do all my tuner configuration and get all the plugins I want working with the clean wiz.bin first. Once I know everything works I would stop the Sage service, rename the current wiz.bin and copy over my wiz.bin from 6 and then fire it up. All recordings and favorites should now show up just like you had it before. On the clean install you'll be providing both your SageTV 6 key and your SageTV 7 key. Make sure you have them handy.

Gerry

[teixed]

Hi all, I have just recently upgraded to Media Center 7, and to be honest I am not that thrilled with it. I was running Media 6.6 on Windows 7 and it worked great. Now I do not use my sagetv box for any tv recording, so perhaps thats why I am not getting and the increased benefits of 7 that many of you are enjoying.

What I do use my HD200 and Media Center for is purely watching movies. I have a lot of movies, and what I loved about 6.6 is that the movies selection filled the screen from left to right with a nicely spaced format that you could read the titles and view the cover art. With 7, it mashes the cover art and the titles on the left half the screen with a big empty space on the right for the individual title that you that see when the cursor is on one of the covers. I tried other formats (I generally use the folders option). I even catagorized all my movies thinking that it would layout better on the screen, but still with the amount of movies I have, it didnt workout.

I was hoping that perhaps it was just a theme issue and that other themes would change the formatting, so far it seems that other themes just change the background color and images, but not the formatting.

I do love that the new interface is definitely more responsive, but with the inflexability of filling the screen with cover art and so that i can see the titles correctly, it just isnt winning me over. Am I perhaps missing something? I have tried lots of changes within the configuration, but nothing lays it out more like I am interested in. Or is that the way the interface will be staying? If so, I may find myself going back to the way 6.6 does things.

[tvmaster2]

that does sound a little shortsighted - at least a choice would be good, yes?

[toricred]

If all you're using it for is movies then you might want to look at the Sage MyMovies plugin. I'm not certain it will do what you want, but it is very configurable.

[teixed]

Thanks, I will take a look at the plugin.

[jgreen1024]

[deleted]

Nevermind, found my answer in other threads.

[SteveD]

On a headless server, does the operating system really matter, considering we are using hardware based capture devices and nothing other than the data stream being written to the hard drive. If using sagetvclient, the playback quality is determined by the OS on the client and codecs. This is just my opinion, I am trying to justify putting my last windows 7 license on my windows xp based server.

3 windows 7 clients
1 win xp server

[Fuzzy]

As your push to a more stressed system, windows 7 might offer you some advantages over windows xp for a headless server. IO Prioritizing is done much better in 7, so if you are pushing the limits in xp, 7 may actually aleviate some of the pressure. Aside from that. windows 7 does also add in some other underlying filesystem features (Symlinks) that I make use of on my system, that were not available in xp (though this is hardly required or commonly used out there)

[SteveD]

How would I know if my system was stressed?

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by SteveD

How would I know if my system was stressed?

If they appear to be angry for no reason, headaches, sleep problems, frustration and binging on chocolates.

Gerry

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by gplasky

If they appear to be angry for no reason, headaches, sleep problems, frustration and binging on chocolates.

Gerry

It doesn't appear to be exhibiting any of those symptoms