R5000 - Any updates on MPEG4 / H.264 with Dish Network?

[redondo_se]

Forgot that Nero Video Decoder can play the sample with the Haali splitter, but the CPU usage is very high and I get some VMR tearing. I didn't try to get it to work in Sage yet though, only in graphedit.

[DualQuad]

Originally Posted by redondo_se

Well, playback of previously recorded material is a step in the right direction I guess. Did you try playing back stuff other than the sample you posted?

I tried several H.264 samples that I had previously recorded as well, all played back well, at least for the few minutes I monitored each.

Originally Posted by redondo_se

Bummer that live playback doesn't work Interesting that it's trying to use the Cyberlink audio renderer rather than the default directshow audio renderer.

EDIT: Didn't even take notice of the fact that it's trying to use NVIDIA decoder. I didn't have any success trying to get NVIDIA filters to decode the sample you posted. There's these two settings in the .properties file:

videoframe/dvd_audio_decoder_filter=
videoframe/dvd_audio_render_filter=

Do you have those set to NVIDIA?

Oh yeah, and these also:

videoframe/audio_decoder_filter=
videoframe/video_decoder_filter=

I will have to check these property file values. Now that I think of it, I believe that the log file I attached was for tuning to an MPEG channel (part of basic sanity test) and not an H.264. I will have to reverify, but I think that an H.264 tuning produces output similar to what HawgGuy listed.

This is getting somewhat closer, and may be reaching a point where Sage support could be involved. I will try to mess around with these other values when I am permitted a maintenance window and shall report back.

Thanks,
DQ

[redondo_se]

Originally Posted by redondo_se

Forgot that Nero Video Decoder can play the sample with the Haali splitter, but the CPU usage is very high and I get some VMR tearing. I didn't try to get it to work in Sage yet though, only in graphedit.

Oh yeah, also forgot to mention that the Nero decoders will only work with certain executables, e.g. ShowTime.exe, recode.exe, and windows media player (whatever that exe is named). If you want to use them in graphedit or sage you need to make a copy of the executable and rename it ShowTime.exe or recode.exe, etc..

The reason I mentioned the Nero decoder is that it's a single filter for handling multiple codecs including mpeg2 and H.264. If you have to modify the "video_decoder_filter" setting to get live TV to work, maybe the Nero decoder with Haali could be a solution. However, I would hope that the sage directshow player can use merits to find a decoder that works correctly by leaving that setting blank, or I think I saw it set to "Default" (not sure).

[spacerad]

It appears from this thread that the Dish Network h.264 files are successfully decoded using PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra. I have PowerDVD 7 Deluxe, which contains an h.264 decoder, and have been unsuccessful at rendering R5000-HD-recorded files from UniversalHD and CinemaxHD on Dish Network using this decoder (either inside or outside of SageTV).

So I wonder:

Apart from the extra DRM, are the decoders different between the Ultra and Deluxe versions? (I have no current interest in viewing BD or HDDVD discs, just R5000 recordings.)

Can one of you who has PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra and the R5000 confirm that it properly displays R5000 recordings from either UniversalHD or CinemaxHD, not necesarilly from within SageTV?

If so, does NVidia hardware acceleration function properly for these input streams?

Were any special steps required for viewing the h.264 streams in a directshow player, such as MPC, using PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra?

I am wondering if I simply purchased the wrong version of PowerDVD or if there is some non-obvious way to get the Deluxe version to properly display the videos.

[redondo_se]

Originally Posted by DualQuad

Now that I think of it, I believe that the log file I attached was for tuning to an MPEG channel (part of basic sanity test) and not an H.264. I will have to reverify, but I think that an H.264 tuning produces output similar to what HawgGuy listed.

Perhaps if you don't have those video_decoder_filter values set it's picking up the NVIDIA decoder becuase you're trying to decode Mpeg2 and the NVIDIA decoder has a higher merit than the Cyberlink Mpeg2 decoder (which is different than the Cyberlink H.264 decoder).

[NEOSG]

Originally Posted by spacerad

It appears from this thread that the Dish Network h.264 files are successfully decoded using PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra. I have PowerDVD 7 Deluxe, which contains an h.264 decoder, and have been unsuccessful at rendering R5000-HD-recorded files from UniversalHD and CinemaxHD on Dish Network using this decoder (either inside or outside of SageTV).

So I wonder:

Apart from the extra DRM, are the decoders different between the Ultra and Deluxe versions? (I have no current interest in viewing BD or HDDVD discs, just R5000 recordings.)

Can one of you who has PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra and the R5000 confirm that it properly displays R5000 recordings from either UniversalHD or CinemaxHD, not necesarilly from within SageTV?

If so, does NVidia hardware acceleration function properly for these input streams?

Were any special steps required for viewing the h.264 streams in a directshow player, such as MPC, using PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra?

I am wondering if I simply purchased the wrong version of PowerDVD or if there is some non-obvious way to get the Deluxe version to properly display the videos.

I could not get the recent recordings from those channels to play using the Cyberlink H.264 decoder. I could only get them to play using the last released verion of the CoreAVC decoder. And, not inside of SageTV either.

SageTV support and developers are aware of this issue. I spent a couple of weeks going back and forth with them via a support ticket. Since they cannot get their hands on the CoreAVC decoder right now, not sure where this leaves things. I know there is the Elecard Plug-in, but I believe that only works with their player.

[Fluffdaddy]

Originally Posted by NEOSG

I could not get the recent recordings from those channels to play using the Cyberlink H.264 decoder. I could only get them to play using the last released verion of the CoreAVC decoder. And, not inside of SageTV either.
.

Thanks for saving me a 100 bucks.

I was "thinking" about pulling the trigger on PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra to get my sage and H.264 working happily together.

Funny that Cyberlink offers free trial downloads for all their products put................ PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra

[NEOSG]

Originally Posted by Fluffdaddy

Thanks for saving me a 100 bucks.

I was "thinking" about pulling the trigger on PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra to get my sage and H.264 working happily together.

Funny that Cyberlink offers free trial downloads for all their products put................ PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra

Your welcome. Just to be clear, I did not buy the full version of the prodcut. I only tried the trial version of the H.264 decoder as asked by SageTV support. Here is the link they gave me
http://www.cyberlink.com/cinema/ati/.../enu/index.jsp


Regardless, that cyberlink decoder I downloaded could not play the recent R5000 recordings whereas the CoreAVC decoder could play them. I tested both decoders used Media Player, Media Player Classic, and Graphedit

[redondo_se]

Originally Posted by NEOSG

Regardless, that cyberlink decoder I downloaded could not play the recent R5000 recordings whereas the CoreAVC decoder could play them. I tested both decoders used Media Player, Media Player Classic, and Graphedit

From my tests, the Cyberlink H.264 decoder doesn't work with all mpeg splitters. My memory is a little fuzzy from all the different combos I tried, but I don't think I could get the Cyberlink H.264 decoder to play DualQuad's sample with the Cyberlink mpeg splitter (or demux, whatever their filter is named).

The best luck I had was Elecard's mpeg splitter from the "Elecard_AVC_Decoder_Pack_Demo.zip" I mentioned earlier with Cyberlink's H.264 decoder. I could get the Haali splitter to work with Nero's Video Decoder, but CPU usage was very high. Haali with CoreAVC would "play", but the picture was all "scrambled."

[redondo_se]

After much aggravation, I finally got my old Fusion I working with SageTV. In case anyone cares, I had to use older drivers. The ones included with the FusionHDTV software package 3.11 worked for me.

Anyway, I was trying to figure out if I could get an alternate demux to work with live Mpeg-2 HDTV. The answer is NO. I tried several different demux filters including Haali, Cyberlink, the windows mpeg-2 demux, Gabest Open Source Mpeg Splitter, and elecard. I didn't try the more recent version of the elecard demux, only the one I had working with DualQuad's H.264 sample.

[HawgGuy]

Had some time to play around a little with trying to play an H.264 r5000hd capture today.

I switched:

videoframe/h264_video_decoder_filter=CyberLink H.264/AVC Decoder (HD264)

For this:

videoframe/h264_video_decoder_filter=CoreAVC Video Decoder

And tried to play a previously recoded file.
The file plays great in MPC or when rendered with GraphEdit.

When I try to play in Sage. It plays for about 3 seconds video & audio then freezes. With the Cyberlink H.264 decoder the video does not play at all, but the sound plays fine and there is no freeze.

Here is the relevant part of the log:

Thu 6/7 17:34:03.653 File Format Parsed E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.655 VideoFrame.watch(A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0])
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.655 watchThisFile=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.656 Watch airing is a file & over, do that instead dvd=false
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.656 Seeker.finishWatch(UIManager:localhost@@SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI-e48e1b)
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.656 VF.submitJob(VFJob[WatchMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] ifn=null])
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.656 VF processing job VFJob[WatchMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] ifn=null] nPlayin=false
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.657 VF processing on UI Thread VFJob[WatchMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] ifn=null]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.658 VideoFrame creating new media player for file:MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.658 VF processing job VFJob[LoadMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] ifn=null] nPlayin=false
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.659 VF processing on UI Thread VFJob[LoadMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] ifn=null]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.659 VF file=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] targetTime = Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.659 VideoFrame.timeSelected(Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432, true) currFile=MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.664 EVPoolSize=3
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.705 DShowPlayer setVideoRendererFilter0({51B4ABF3-748F-4E3B-A276-C828330E926A}) called
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.755 setUI(sage.b4@1544942[MediaPlayer OSD]) histIdx=2 uiHistory=[sage.b4@bb303[Main Menu], sage.b4@1feaa19[Library], sage.b4@1544942[MediaPlayer OSD]]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.763 Aborting thumbnail load of MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] because nothing is displaying it anymore
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.770 MediaFile creating thumbnail to C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\GeneratedThumbnails\EMay072007233641PMts.jpg for MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.834 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=16 h=16
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.835 Loading new font to cache font=MetaFont[Arial, size=18, style=1, height=20.698242, ascent=16.589355, descent=3.5200195, leading=0.5888672]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.840 Setting up VMR9 deinterlacing
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.841 Curr Mix Prefs=0x1015
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.841 Set to 0x2015, hr=0x0, New Mix Prefs=0x2015
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.841 DShowPlayer setVideoDecoderFilter0(CoreAVC Video Decoder) called
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.851 DShowPlayer setAudioDecoderFilter0(MPEG Audio Decoder) called
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.859 DShowPlayer setTimeshift=0 buffer=0
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.859 Using the default source filter
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.860 NATIVE Loading the source file
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.860 NATIVE Setting up the MPEG demux
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.869 NATIVE RenderAudio called stream=1
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.869 NATIVE RenderAudio step 1
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.891 Loaded font cache info for MetaFont[Arial, size=18, style=1, height=20.698242, ascent=16.589355, descent=3.5200195, leading=0.5888672] numGlyphs=1674 maxGlyph=234
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.893 Rendered new font to cache index=0 font=java.awt.Font[family=Arial,name=Arial,style=bold,size=18]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.893 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=128 h=128
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.895 Rendered new font to cache index=1 font=java.awt.Font[family=Arial,name=Arial,style=bold,size=18]
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.895 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=128 h=128
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.895 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDStatusPause.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.896 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=6 h=8
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.899 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDVolOn.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.899 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=16 h=13
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.900 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDVolBar.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.903 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=64 h=4
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.903 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDVolSlider.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.903 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=9 h=15
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.903 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDReplay.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.904 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=29 h=26
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.904 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDRew.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.904 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=30 h=26
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.904 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDStop.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.904 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=30 h=26
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.905 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDPlay.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.905 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=30 h=26
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.905 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDFwd.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.905 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=30 h=26
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.905 Loading 0x0 image from file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\OSDSkip.png
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.906 Creating DirectX9 Texture from nio buffer w=29 h=26
Thu 6/7 17:34:04.051 Error creating thumbnail from video file:MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] res=FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
  configuration: --extra-libs=-lwsock32 --enable-libfaad --enable-x264 --enable-memalign-hack --enable-gpl --enable-xvid --enable-libfaac --enable-libmp3lame --disable-debug --enable-amr_wb --enable-amr_nb --enable-liba52
  libavutil version: 49.4.0
  libavcodec version: 51.40.2
  libavformat version: 51.11.0
  built on Apr 25 2007 12:01:38, gcc: 3.2.3 (mingw special 20030504-1)
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Compiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled
and may be very slow or crash. This is not a bug in libavcodec,
but in the compiler. Do not report crashes to FFmpeg developers.
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Input #0, mpegts, from 'E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts':
  Duration: 00:00:43.0, start: 31247.913289, bitrate: 18611 kb/s
  Stream #0.0[0x11]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1440x1080, AR: 16:9, progressive, 29.97 fps(r)
  Stream #0.1[0x14]: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 384 kb/s
PIX_FMT_YUV420P will be used as an intermediate format for rescaling
Output #0, mjpeg, to 'C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\GeneratedThumbnails\EMay072007233641PMts.jpg':
  Stream #0.0: Video: mjpeg, yuvj420p, 256x144, AR: 16:9, progressive, q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 29.97 fps(c)
Stream mapping:
  Stream #0.0 -> #0.0
[h264 @ 00A04174]PAFF interlacing is not implemented
[h264 @ 00A04174]concealing 3060 DC, 3060 AC, 3060 MV errors
[h264 @ 00A04174]PAFF inteopt_priorrlacing is not iity arg=idle
mplemented
FFMPEG has crashed with signal 11 !!!

[spacerad]

Originally Posted by NEOSG

Your welcome. Just to be clear, I did not buy the full version of the prodcut. I only tried the trial version of the H.264 decoder as asked by SageTV support. Here is the link they gave me
http://www.cyberlink.com/cinema/ati/.../enu/index.jsp


Regardless, that cyberlink decoder I downloaded could not play the recent R5000 recordings whereas the CoreAVC decoder could play them. I tested both decoders used Media Player, Media Player Classic, and Graphedit

Thanks for the details, NEOSG.

It appears that the trial decoder used in your tests was a version that was released on 12/28/2005. The release date of the latest build of PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra is 5/28/2007. It is likely that Cyberlink incorporated additional refinement and features to the latest version that were not present in the 2005 version.

Based on redondo_se's and DualQuad's posts, it may well be the case that the features needed to play Dish Network's h.264 encoded streams have been added. I would just like to be 100% sure before I consider spending any more money, being that I already spent $80 on a PowerDVD 7 Deluxe, which apparently does not work.

[NEOSG]

Originally Posted by spacerad

Thanks for the details, NEOSG.

It appears that the trial decoder used in your tests was a version that was released on 12/28/2005. The release date of the latest build of PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra is 5/28/2007. It is likely that Cyberlink incorporated additional refinement and features to the latest version that were not present in the 2005 version.

Based on redondo_se's and DualQuad's posts, it may well be the case that the features needed to play Dish Network's h.264 encoded streams have been added. I would just like to be 100% sure before I consider spending any more money, being that I already spent $80 on a PowerDVD 7 Deluxe, which apparently does not work.

y/w

thank you for the info on the updated versions

[redondo_se]

Originally Posted by redondo_se

After much aggravation, I finally got my old Fusion I working with SageTV. In case anyone cares, I had to use older drivers. The ones included with the FusionHDTV software package 3.11 worked for me.

Anyway, I was trying to figure out if I could get an alternate demux to work with live Mpeg-2 HDTV. The answer is NO. I tried several different demux filters including Haali, Cyberlink, the windows mpeg-2 demux, Gabest Open Source Mpeg Splitter, and elecard. I didn't try the more recent version of the elecard demux, only the one I had working with DualQuad's H.264 sample.

UGH!

So I tried the more recent version of the elecard demux in Sage and it works with live OTA HD Mpeg-2 from my fusion card, but won't work with DualQuad's sample and any of the several H.264 decoders I tried (I forgot to try CoreAVC). That version of the Demux works great in graphedit with Cyberlink's H.264 decoder, even with Sage's file source filter.

There's something about the graph being used in Sage that's screwing things up. I'm sure they have an extra filter or two in the graph that dump the stream to disk, but I haven't tried to figure out which one's they're using and tried to use them in graphedit.

[HawgGuy]

From the Sage debug log:


[h264 @ 00A04174]PAFF interlacing is not implemented
[h264 @ 00A04174]concealing 3060 DC, 3060 AC, 3060 MV errors
[h264 @ 00A04174]PAFF inteopt_priorrlacing is not iity arg=idle
mplemented
FFMPEG has crashed with signal 11 !!!

[spacerad]

Originally Posted by HawgGuy

From the Sage debug log:


[h264 @ 00A04174]PAFF interlacing is not implemented
[h264 @ 00A04174]concealing 3060 DC, 3060 AC, 3060 MV errors
[h264 @ 00A04174]PAFF inteopt_priorrlacing is not iity arg=idle
mplemented
FFMPEG has crashed with signal 11 !!!

I suspect that SageTV is attempting to use its built-in version of mplayer (which uses ffmpeg) instead of coreavc. These error messages are definitely from ffmpeg, which does not yet implement decoding of PAFF interlaced material. Libavcodec, which was mentioned in the error message from your previous post, is also part of ffmpeg.

[HawgGuy]

Originally Posted by spacerad

I suspect that SageTV is attempting to use its built-in version of mplayer (which uses ffmpeg) instead of coreavc. These error messages are definitely from ffmpeg, which does not yet implement decoding of PAFF interlaced material. Libavcodec, which was mentioned in the error message from your previous post, is also part of ffmpeg.

That's what I think. But I have selected use DirectShow playback for MPEG4 in setup and, earlier in the log it says:

Thu 6/7 17:34:03.840 Setting up VMR9 deinterlacing
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.841 Curr Mix Prefs=0x1015
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.841 Set to 0x2015, hr=0x0, New Mix Prefs=0x2015
Thu 6/7 17:34:03.841 DShowPlayer setVideoDecoderFilter0(CoreAVC Video Decoder) called


So why is Sage using mplayer/ffmpeg, which can't handle the PAFF interlacing of h.264 streams?

[redondo_se]

Originally Posted by HawgGuy

So why is Sage using mplayer/ffmpeg, which can't handle the PAFF interlacing of h.264 streams?

I believe it's just using ffmpeg to creat a thumbnail of the file. If you look farther up your log, you'll see:

Thu 6/7 17:34:04.051 Error creating thumbnail from video file:MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] res=FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
  configuration: --extra-libs=-lwsock32 --enable-libfaad --enable-x264 --enable-memalign-hack --enable-gpl --enable-xvid --enable-libfaac --enable-libmp3lame --disable-debug --enable-amr_wb --enable-amr_nb --enable-liba52
  libavutil version: 49.4.0
  libavcodec version: 51.40.2
  libavformat version: 51.11.0
  built on Apr 25 2007 12:01:38, gcc: 3.2.3 (mingw special 20030504-1)

[spacerad]

Originally Posted by redondo_se

I believe it's just using ffmpeg to creat a thumbnail of the file. If you look farther up your log, you'll see:

Thu 6/7 17:34:04.051 Error creating thumbnail from video file:MediaFile[id=0 A[3531456,3531444,"May.07.2007_23.36.41PM",0@0507.23:36,0] host=pvr2 encodedBy= format=MPEG2-TS 0:00:43 18611 kbps [#0 Video[H.264 29.97003 fps 1440x1080 16:9 progressive]#1 Audio[AC3 48000 Hz 6 channels 384 kbps idx=1 id=14]] E:\May.07.2007_23.36.41PM.ts, Seg0[Mon 5/7 23:36:41.432-Mon 5/7 23:37:24.432]] res=FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
  configuration: --extra-libs=-lwsock32 --enable-libfaad --enable-x264 --enable-memalign-hack --enable-gpl --enable-xvid --enable-libfaac --enable-libmp3lame --disable-debug --enable-amr_wb --enable-amr_nb --enable-liba52
  libavutil version: 49.4.0
  libavcodec version: 51.40.2
  libavformat version: 51.11.0
  built on Apr 25 2007 12:01:38, gcc: 3.2.3 (mingw special 20030504-1)

You are probably right, redondo_se, since the ffmpeg errors all correspond to the entry at time "Thu 6/7 17:34:04.051

So the question is: Does this error in thumbnail creation somehow cause SageTV to halt all attempts to render the video, even using CoreAVC?

[HawgGuy]

Thought I'd post here to bump this up.

For some reason, installing Vista Home fixes playing of h.264 streams with SageTV. I have no clue why, but it does for me. All the h.264 channels (nfl-hd, espn2 etc) play smoothly. The only glitch, which happens fairly regularly on certain channels, is with the r5000-hd not recognizing certain h.264 streams properly. It will report the stream as mpeg-2 0 x 0 @ null and Sage will give a playback error. Re-trying a time or two will usually fix things.

The downside, for me, was the immense hassle of installing a new operating system (especially for a Mac guy), the inevitable driver glitches and the Vista oddities. I can no longer have simultaneous SPDIF and analog audio out, and the Nvidia Vista drivers won't do proper scaling for the video or allow overscan correction. I may go back to XP and live with the lack of smooth h.264 playback in sage until the Vista drivers mature a bit.