What version of Java should I be using - UI crashing daily

[DFranch]

It could also be the process of reinstalling the software fixed something too. Whatever it is I'm just glad I don't have to resort to reinstalling Windows.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by ben_95sl1

I don't know what the culprit is for those with issues, but I've been running 1.5.06 on the server for weeks and it's fine

I'd like to know what it (the culprit is) - because for me a *clean* XP Pro install with all the updates and Java 1.5.6 will not work with Sage for more than only a few hours.

I wonder if the ones with no problems are running something other than XP Pro.

Originally Posted by ben_95sl1

I do believe that once one gets it stable, one should stop making updates for windows and java and drivers if at all possible. so if 1.4 works, I don't really see the need to upgrade, unless it offeres some big performance boost; which it doesn't.

Unfortunately if your Windows machine is connected to the network, you're *required* to update. Hell, if it was up to me, it'd be *illegal* to not install security patches. Read up on bot-nets... ;-> Send flames to me in PM's, I'll cheerfully ignore them.

[ben_95sl1]

if you're that concerned, what about linux?

unfortunately, I run XP pro. Updates, hardware, maybe we'll never know?!?!?

[Keith]

Bottom line, if there is any product that stops working after a security patch is applied, then "in my opinion" it's the vendor's responsibility to update their product.

Of course that's a generic statement since we still apparently don't know for sure what the culprit is as far as Sage crashes are concerned.

[DFranch]

My system is Win XP home, and it is fully patched. I just backed up sage, uninstalled sage, uninstalled all versions of java, rebooted, installed sage 4.14 beta, copied my backup sage folder on top of the new install, and it has been working for 3 days. Sage had been crashing every few hours. Give it a try, it only takes 10 minutes.

[Darren Cook]

Update to my issue: The downgrade to Java 1.5.4 did NOT work (glad it does for some of you though!), I got a crash a few hours later. :-/ Downgrading now to 1.4.2, hopeful it'll do the trick.

As far as this discussion on security & etc updates goes:
It's definitely a catch 22. I must say that if it is the updates (Windows/Java/whatever), that this is the first time I've regretted updating; typically my luck has shown to reap benefits from upgrades in the form of stability etc (whether or not that includes a trade off for "new" bugs). Not so this time, that's for sure. I am quite likely to take the advice to not update anything further once I get back to stability, as things are clearly to the level of more harm than good now.

I was pondering that XP has been out for, oh, 4 or 5 years now at least, and with all the security updates etc it's really not the same operating system at all any more. Yet every vendor writing software for it most likely started with the "original" XP years ago. Consider as well that many hardware vendors and products have come and gone in that time, leaving behind outdated drivers written for an old and essentially non-existant OS (in some respects). It really does leave things as rather a crap shoot, and no wonder our systems are starting to break. I'd hate to be a software developer trying to write (or patch) for such a moving target.

Best of luck to us all!

[DFranch]

Originally Posted by Darren Cook

Update to my issue: The downgrade to Java 1.5.4 did NOT work (glad it does for some of you though!), I got a crash a few hours later. :-/ Downgrading now to 1.4.2, hopeful it'll do the trick.

1.4_06 is the version of Java which comes with Sage. I'd use that first.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by DFranch

1.4_06 is the version of Java which comes with Sage. I'd use that first.

People keep saying that but my Sage download didn't include Java.

[heffe2001]

Originally Posted by Keith

People keep saying that but my Sage download didn't include Java.

I'm 99% sure all downloads of SageTV come with Java included, I've never downloaded one that didn't.

[DFranch]

Originally Posted by Keith

People keep saying that but my Sage download didn't include Java.

If you uninstall all versions of java before you install Sage it will automatically install the version of java that comes with sage. it does not seem to install java if there is already a version on the machine.

[Keith]

OK, I guess I stand corrected, but I thought sure I tried to run it after my clean OS install and that it had complained about a missing JRE. Maybe that was the client. But it's also confusing because Sage's own site says that users need to download Java on their own and provides a link to the Sun site.

At any rate I agree - if Sage installs it's own Java then barring other issues it should work fine with that version - just be sure to disable auto-updates.

[e4gulf]

I had the same problems with crashing and I will not use any version of JRE except Java 1.4.2_06.

[zebra14]

A little googling found java v 1.4.2 - for those who wish to use the one that apparently came with Sage:

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html