Utility: ShowAnalyzer Beta

[geogecko]

Originally Posted by Jere_Jones

No. But I "strongly" recommend you adjust the depth of analysis to 60. You may need to adjust from there, but it is a good place to start.

Jere

So far so good, it appears to be working, at least, not sitting idle, on an HD show right now.

Why must DOA be set so high now, just different way of doing it now?

Also, when you set throttling to say 10%, I see the process can take up to 50% at times. Is this just because there is extra % in the idle process, and SA is able to make use of that, or is the throttling not working? In other words, if something else needs the CPU cycles, I assume that SA gives up some of it's % that is above 10%, right?

[FZ1]

Originally Posted by Jere_Jones

...I "strongly" recommend you adjust the depth of analysis to 60...
Jere

Hi Jere,

Is a higher or lower DOA supposed to detect commercials more accurately? I've been testing detection on last night's "The Apprentice" with 0.7.1 (all default settings for SA and PVR-150 color calibration), here are my results;
DOA=1, 15, or 45, found 5 of 6 commercials
DOA=60, 75, or 99, found 4 of 6 commercials

FYI, at 800X600 desktop resolution the DOA slider is below the bottom of the settings window. I need to edit default.ini directly to make changes.

Thanks,

-Brian

[geogecko]

I think lower DOA is more accurate.

I have my resolution set to 800x600, and I see the slider just fine. Do you have the window all the way at the top, or have too much overscan?

[FZ1]

Originally Posted by geogecko

I think lower DOA is more accurate.

It looks like you're right...

Originally Posted by geogecko

I have my resolution set to 800x600, and I see the slider just fine. Do you have the window all the way at the top, or have too much overscan?

All 4 sides of the SA settings window are visable within the desktop. I'll double check my Windows "appearance" settings to make sure I haven't messed up something like "font size inside a window"...

Thanks!

[Humanzee]

Jere,

Well its seems to be detecting HD content now.

I am also noticing that it is using more CPU % than allowed in the SA configuration. So how exactly does the "CPU Adjustment" work. The inline help says to adjust this number up and down slowly but doesnt explain what up does or down does. It comes with 1 as default but you can't adjust down from there. I tired .9 and it reverted to 1. What do you mean by slowly? Should I try 2?

[Humanzee]

Jere,
couple more things

You forgot to update the version number in your signature file.

I think the throttling End Time setting is goofy. I have never used it before today but I don't think it is working correctly. I wanted to enter a start time of noon so I put in 1200 which worked. Then an end time of 1:30 am so I put in 0130 and it reverted to 88. I tried 0100 and it reverted to 64. Some numbers resolve to 0.

Also noticed it hang on an episode of lost in HD, it got about a third through and then froze up.

[Stuntman]

Guess I'll be the first to post that I'm still seeing an issue with SA hanging during analysis. I created a queue in Dirmon2 of perhaps 15 shows... SA got through about half before it found one that hung it in what appears to be the same way it did in 7.0...

See attached Image...

[Humanzee]

Yup, froze on a second episode of lost for me over night.

[MrApollinax]

I was having that problem with 0.7.0 but 0.7.1 fixed this problem for me. Could you post your SA settings? with 7.0 i setup a timeout of 5 minutes to bypass the hanging issue but found that I had other files that caused the problem. I reverted back to comskip (which produced horrible results but still caught *some* commercials) until Jere ironed out what was causing this issue for me.

[Jere_Jones]

Originally Posted by Humanzee

I am also noticing that it is using more CPU % than allowed in the SA configuration. So how exactly does the "CPU Adjustment" work. The inline help says to adjust this number up and down slowly but doesnt explain what up does or down does. It comes with 1 as default but you can't adjust down from there. I tired .9 and it reverted to 1. What do you mean by slowly? Should I try 2?

It is whole numbers so the next up would be 2. I was trying to clarify that someone shouldn't go from 1 to 10. Take baby steps.

Jere

[Jere_Jones]

Those of you having hanging issues, would anyone be willing to provide me with a sample? PM me if you can upload a bad file.

Jere

[chadman]

Well it started out great! did 5 episodes of Twilight Zone and 3 of the "Outer Limites" (both on the WB) and then it would hang on any episode of CSI.

Chad

[Jere_Jones]

FZ1,

Will you run SA with a DOA of 15 and a command line option of -framedetails? Then send me the resulting *.frames.txt file and a rough estimate of where the commercials are.

Thanks!
Jere

[stanger89]

Hey, a small nicety...

Have a dropdown list of Verbocities, maybe with descriptions.

[FZ1]

Originally Posted by Jere_Jones

FZ1,

...send me the resulting *.frames.txt file and a rough estimate of where the commercials are.
Jere

Sure thing Jere, attached is the *.frames.txt from the last "The Apprentice" using DOA=15 (all else default).

The original file is 12MB so I had to compress and split it into a self-extracting 2 part .rar, then change the extensions to .zip for the forum to accept it. Change the extension of the part01 to .exe, part02 to .rar, then double click the .exe to extract. Sorry for the hassle but PM me if you'd prefer another method.

Five of the six commercials were detected accurately at frame numbers
13578 18651
31543 38770
45887 52969
83816 88518
105705 107717

The commercial that was missed occurs from 64847 to 72657

Thanks for the help!

[Stuntman]

I was wondering... if a lower SOA generally means better detection, why would anybody put it at 60 or above? What are the possible problems with lowering it down to say "1"??

Thanks!!!

[MrApollinax]

Well for me with the settings I have I'm catching about 95% of the commercials on my recordings. There are still some problem shows (ie LOST) but I have the same results using a DOA of 60 as I did with say 15. So the plus is that i can now scan through shows faster thus freeing up CPU for other things.

When testing my settings I used a lower DOA of 15 to make sure my tweaks were working. I then rescanned the file with a higher DOA or 60 to see if i get the same results. Then I would go onto another show and use the same profile and see the results to see if i needed to make a new profile for that show/channel etc. School House was really helpful in that respect but without SH I have to do it the old fashioned way of trial and error. Because of that testing at a DOA of 15 really adds up time-wise.

[MrApollinax]

Also, I've found that if you go lower than 15 (at least in my setup, i think its about 20-30 if you use the default profile) that I get a lot of false positives/negatives. Meaning i get a lot of mis-flagged commerical and show segments.

[malbec]

I have been having a heck of a time with the stability of SA after upgrading to 0.7.1 from 0.5. Has anybody else experienced the same? Any advice ideas on what logs to grab, etc. so I can pist somethign that might point ot the problem better? I am not recording/do not have any HD files, so....

[Jere_Jones]

Originally Posted by malbec

I have been having a heck of a time with the stability of SA after upgrading to 0.7.1 from 0.5. Has anybody else experienced the same? Any advice ideas on what logs to grab, etc. so I can pist somethign that might point ot the problem better? I am not recording/do not have any HD files, so....

A description of the stability problems you're having would be a start. Then I'll know where to go from there.

Jere